Real Islam can only be achieved when Europeans force Muslims to stop abiding to Islamic law

Real Islam can only be achieved when Europeans force Muslims to stop abiding to Islamic law.

Any religion focusing over much on behavioral control rules over universal truths and morals is just a low IQ religion.

South Asians and MENAoids are just mentally fucked regardless of religion.
See how Muslims not from those regions (Balkans, Central Asia, SEA) are just normal people.

Islam is the only chance that humanity will survive the spread of western liberalism and childlessness.

Areas most exposed to non-Islamic influence are producing the most normal Muslims

umm I wonder why

TFR has nothing to do with Islam. See Gulf countries.
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TFR has nothing to do with Islam. See Gulf countries.

Huh? They have very high TFR by western standards. If your average pseudo-Christian country in Europe had Saudi level of wealth, their birth rates would be like 0.4

Assyrians, Yazidis and Hindus still do honor and mob killings, inbreeding and such.
Even for Afghanistan, northern Afghans (who are mostly Central Asians) are mostly normal, non-radical people. While southern Afghans (who are closest to Pakistanis) make up literally all Taliban members and supporters.

If your average pseudo-Christian country in Europe had Saudi level of wealth, their birth rates would be like 0.4

The average saudi is as "wealthy" as the average north euro or American. IDK where the idea of all of us being loaded comes from, it may apply to Qataris/Bahrainis but no us.

Race or Culture? So how come that Cental Asian and Balkan muslims used to be like that before the European civilization mission?

If your average pseudo-Christian country in Europe had Saudi level of wealth

Saudi has a GDP per capita of $32K which puts it below Serbia at rank #40 in Europe.

The average saudi is as "wealthy" as the average north euro or American.

except you also have unbelievably low costs of life with basically no taxes and cheap workforce from Asia

if i were muslim i'd have 6 children and i'd lie on my couch shouting at my 4 wives to take care of the kids (and me)
but because i was unlucky to have been born christian, i need to work my ass off to survive myself and cannot afford kids

islam is salvation for the civilization

Real islam can be achieved when the last muslim dies.

Saudi has a significantly higher cost of living than Serbia despite having a similar GDP per capita.
How does Islam make doing that easier?

How does Islam make doing that easier?

you can't have 4 wives in christianity
also women have a wide range of personal autonomy

Not sure what you mean. Veiling and religious orthodoxy was never common among Central Asians except for Uzbeks, and that only because their ruling class was traditionally dominated by Persians who took it from their own culture. Ottomans probably also adopted it from there.
Burqa is a Middle Eastern thing that predates Islam. See also the same concept of purdah in Indian/Hindu culture.

What the fuck? Huh?

why do people forget so easily that until 19th century Christian women also covered their hair/faces and in many countries this custom survived well into 20th century or even now?

Head coverings and long garbs similar to hijabis yeah, but idk about burqa-esque full covers. At least, Ive never heard about it.
Wiki says its a distinct MENA practice dating back to 1st century AD.
Quran itself never tells women to cover up like that, just that they should dress modestly in a non-titillating fashion.

Suicide terrorism in MENA was pioneered by communist-atheist and secular nationalist groups.

Islam is just the Arabic code of comduct

In the Central Asian Sufi Islam, women can become the equivalent of priests, non-Muslims who are good people regardless are not forced into hell and violence is only permissible in self defence.
MENA culture is extremely violent and tribalistic regardless of religion or sect.

Balkans

"no"

being called intrinsically violent by a literal Germ

MENAbros...

terrorism is when you resist an occupying force

but ukraine car bombing russian generals in the middle of moscow is fighting for "freedom"

he wasn't even wrong until he brought up that SSNP operation as "terrorism" what a fucking clown

He meant muslims in Balkans, didn't mean Serbians are normal people.

Earliest kamikaze type attack I found. So then take PLO, PFLP or PKK or whatever group. Point is militants in the region did it even before Jihadi groups like Al Qaida became relevant.
In other parts of the world, dads who kill their daughters dont receive praise from society or reduced prison sentences. In MENA, they do.

Any military operation that was done to liberate the south of Lebanon cannot be called terrorism by any moral or legal standard.

I would necessarily call them normal people, they're just less aggressive and more agreeable than arab and negro muslims. I still don't want to share my living space with them, but if I ever need to pick between and arab or a kazakh it'd pick the latter, no question.

I wouldn't

Whatever it is, Israel itself has the same terrorist mentality as takfiri groups where they believe all non-tribe members should either be subjugated or killed. Sunni Arabs talk about killing all Shia Arabs like its a normal thing, Shias do the same to Sunnis. Both were massacring Christians during the Iraqi civil war, before and after Arabs and Kurds spent turns massacring each other. Ig life is cheap in the Middle East.

Shias do the same to Sunnis

Completely false. Lebanon hosts 2 million refugees, the majority whom are Sunnis AND support the Jolani terrorist. Many of them stay in Shia areas including "Hezbollah Strongholds".

Both were massacring Christians

Give me a single instance where Shia have massacred Christians or any other minority.

There are few CAsians here but they act basically like East Asians. Quiet and polite people who value education and secularism a lot. You wouldn't even know they're Muslim unless you ask, same as Bosniaks.

Westerners and ISIS propagandists love talking about all the bad things Hezbollah did in Syria not realizing that more than a million Sunnis syrians literally ran away to Shia areas in Lebanon and are safely living there. Could you imagine a Lebanese Shia going to live in the new Syria?

i don't have 6 children and 4 wives

Idc about this typical "your extremists bad, mine good" tribal mentality. Shia Islamists (not Hezbollah specifically) were also involved in the persecution of Christians in Iraq during the years of sectarian violence, they also did awful shit like beheading villagers and general retardation like

observers.france24.com/en/20200904-protesters-burn-offices-iraqi-tv-channel

Or go way back to how Khomeini attacked the then Iraqi gov over having a Christian PM because a non-Muslim ruling over Muslims was totally unacceptable. None of this matters anyway, MENA will remain in this mindset till judgement day.

All extremism is bad but you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

You claimed Shia were massacring Sunnis and Christians when neither is true.
You called a legitimate operation done to resist an occupier "terrorism".

If you don't know much about the region then it is better not to talk than spew whatever just to fabricate an air of superiority like you are a morally superior observer that is above it all.

Yeah. You have 9 children and 3 wives

I said nothing about Syria. I don't remember exactly since it was a long time ago, but the reports I read were specifically related to the Mahdi army/Sadrist militia in Iraq. Not hard to imagine ppl who attack TV stations for playing music and assinating regular citizens for speaking against them on social media would be also to also attack guys for being non-Shia/non-Muslim broadly.

nationalreview.com/2007/07/iraqs-christian-exodus-keith-roderick/

Crimes against Sunni civillians way before ISIS due to the Dawah party painting em all as Saddam sympathizers can be easily googled as well.

legitimate operation done to resist

So don't call it terrorism, but just the first suicide bombing done as a legitimate resistance operation if that satisfies your nerves.

And my biggest issue in all this is how non-Muslims see all Muslims as fanatic barbarians due to the image you guys portray to the world.
The Arab refugees were a disaster for the rest of the German-Muslim community and it fucked us all over.
Do your thing and let people westward and above the Arab world do theirs, I couldn't give less fucks about the ummah.

The point is neither to defend Hezbollah nor Shia Iraqi militias I consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization for having committed acts of terrorism against civilian Jews and Israelis.

The issue comes in equating rabid Sunni extremist violence with Shia violence as if "Oh they are just killing each other". No, Sunni terrorists like ISIS were objectively VASTLY more violent, destructive, and barbaric. It's not even close. As a Syrian minority you would be praying non-stop for Assad/Hezbollah forces to establish control over your region rather than have it fall under salafist terrorists.

So don't call it terrorism, but just the first suicide bombing done as a legitimate resistance operation if that satisfies your nerves.

Nobody appreciates having national heroes be desecrated.

yeah, but that's YOUR choice, not women's, like in the west

Too bad instead of Western countries helping Assad put down the Syrian chimpout that is referred to as a "revolution" they instead chose to do the exact opposite and fund and train terrorism instead.

It seems tho the majority of Syrians support chimpism, which is an issue with Syrians first. They could of had a secular democratic revolution, but the majority chose against it. Not the fault of the West SYRIANS started massacring every minority group as soon as their dictator fell.
Turks were in Germany for over half a century, not a single terrorist attack. A few thousand Arabs and suddenly, there is an attack, a stabbing and a rape every other day of the week.
To the point that most of us now vote far right just to get rid of you.

majority of Syrians support chimpism

Salafism is a joint US-Saudi creation and after MBS distanced Saudi away from it Turkey took over. I admit Syrians are very susceptible to it for a variety of reasons.

To the point that most of us now vote far right just to get rid of you.

You should keep voting far right and deport all refugees. I am not joking. This is both in my interest and yours.

Central Asians aren't normal people kek. Bride kidnapping is still common in Kyrgyzstan

Don't say Salafism, it gives off the wrong impression that they're traditional Muslims. Wahhabism is the correct one, a 20th century abomination of traditional Islam. Don't underestimate Khomeinists either bc they massively contributed to this shit getting as bad as it is.

Turkey took over

Inshallah this mistake will be corrected soon enough.

It's really a shame. Saudi Arabia could have spent their oil money on educating muslims to be moderates instead of funding extremist terrorism. The same could be said for Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. At least the USSR used to fund secular groups.

Muslims around the whole region could have been like Sunnis in Beirut if money had flowed the right way.

What's the difference between Salafism and Wahhabism?

The ideology comes from Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, an extremist who made a deal with the Saudi royal family. His family members at the time warned he was mentally deranged and would bring destruction upon Islam.

Salafism is the term they generally use for themselves and implies they are followers of the salaf (the first generations of Muslims), so traditionalists. They consider Wahhabi insulting because it exposes them for the cult they are.

For 99% of Islamic history, majority of Sunni Muslims were closer to Sufism than what is now known as Salafism. Due to Saudi oil money, they run most Islamic websites online like Islamqa.

Btw. same case for Ibn Taymiyyah who is venerated among modern Sunnis, was considered a fringe extremist in his time and mentally deranged, to the point Ibn Battuta wrote a whole book on him called "Did Ibn Taymiyyah have a screw loose?".
Where he recalls incidents like Taymiyyah sliding down stairs proclaiming "This is how Allah descends from the heavens".