ought Vienna or Berlin be the capital of this country?
Ought Vienna or Berlin be the capital of this country?
Frankfurt am Main but Frankfurt got sadly pozzed and invaded by browns after ww2
SENPAI is the capital of Maghreb Inshallah, all Nafri scum gathers there
Frankfurt has the most sense geographically
Vienna and Berlin are same
weird how their capitals are located so eastwards, generally capitals should have more central locations within the country
Historically Frankfurt am Main.
Both Brandenburg and Austria were border marches - and later on those territories advanced to become larger and important cities.
look what the eternal swede did to denmark
Both Brandenburg and Austria were border marches - and later on those territories advanced to become larger and important cities.
actually that's quite strange when you think about it, it must be a rare phenomenon where the country's backwater area suddenly rises to prominence and gains control over the whole country. You cannot imagine Ireland to take over whole of UK and Dublin becoming the capital city there.
Berlin was in a kinda central location
For me, it’s Augsburg
everything east of the oder was majority non-German outside major cities, bro
yeah but it's odd how they moved the capital back there in 1990 when it was already on the edge of the country, if it couldn't have stayed in Bonn, they should have chosen something like Bielefeld (even if it didn't exist)
That's just not true, but you're probably trolling
The capital was technically always in Berlin. It’s just that the Federal government pretended like it East Germany didn’t exist. It’s kind of like how NK considered Seoul its capital for a long time.
I think it’s heinous how Austrians cause so much shit, only for Germany to get the blame.
Berlin has a lot of symbolic value as the only capital a unified Germany ever had.
Are you genuinely retarded? Do you know what Poland is?
Not exactly. The border marches of the HRE were granted special privileges (taxes, right to mint coinage, more independent militaries, exemption from the real seperation inheritance laws) which originally served to strenghten them independantly of the Empire - and those privileges also came in handy when those territories became (early) modern states.
Do you genuinely believe that rural Pomerania was majority non-German?
West or East Pomerania?
The part of Pomerania east of the Oder.
It’s just that the Federal government pretended like it East Germany didn’t exist.
What type of nonsense is this?
Mixed. That but was part of the PLC for a long time.
Munich
FRG and GDR never recognized each other
I think he means that western germany picked Bonn as the capital to show that they viewed this as a temporary solution, if they picked Frankfurt it would probably entrench itself as the capital and stay that way
I also assume that western germany didn't recognize GDR
It’s just that the Federal government pretended like it East Germany didn’t exist.
okay but it should have encouraged them to locate the capital and federal institutions in west Berlin even more. Moving it to Bonn even if only de facto, was kinda like surrendering and giving up Berlin to communists.
West Berlin was a whole can of worms from a legal standpoint. It was not a part of West Germany but sort of was? CGP could probably make a 10 minute video out of that topic.
okay
though afaik Berlin itself wasn't that important until 17th century
yeah, i heard that wessie hippies moved to west Berlin to avoid compulsory military service because for some reason Berlin residents weren't drafted
West Belin was entirely surrounded by the GDR. It would be very dangerous to have all of West Germany's government institutions located there.
West Belin was entirely surrounded by the GDR
i could never understand why Ossis tried to jump through the Berlin wall (and die en masse) which was the most guarded border in the whole world, while there were hundreds of kms of regular GDR-DDR border in central Germany, often going through forests, hills etc - it must have been much easier to sneak through, yet they still chose the wall.
GDR-DDR border
shieet, meant BRD-DDR
Nigga is speakin in RAM standards
I really dislike that one big skyscraper in Frankfurt
post songs about Berlin from your country
I'll start
youtube.com
Over de muur
yay, dutch is really what they say about dutch
everyone loves Vienna
everyone hates Berlin
so Vienna I guess
Berlin because it has a bigger population
It wasn't. The Duchy of Pommerania was briefly a vassel of the Kingdom of Poland in the 11th century but for most of its existence the dukes of Pommerania swore fielty to the Emperor of the HRE.
Ffs from 1648 to 1721 the Duchy of Pommerania belonged nominally to the Kingdom of Sweden.
And ultimately most of the inhabitants of Pommerania were Germans.
Both did with the establishment of permanent diplomatic missions in 1972. Anyways both states couldn't really deny the existance of each other - only really being able to question the diplomatic and international legal legitimization.
That is one of the official standpoints, yes.
Diplomatic missions are different from official recognition. Some Arab states do diplomacy with Israel without recognizing it for example.
we didn't even want Stettin to begin with, Stalin pushed it down our throat against our will to weaken Germany as much as possible
did it work?
is Germany weak?
Always seemed random to me
The fact that West Berlin continued to exist, despite many efforts by the Soviet Union and the GDR to undo it, was already enough of a blow for the communists.
No it wasn't. Berlin was elevated in status with the rise of the Margraviate of Brandenburg/Brandenburg-Prussia/Kingdom of Prussia. And Vienna also only rose in prominence during this time period as the former decentralized imperial institutions were transformed to be more concentrated towards the lands of the Habsburg.
Iirc it was due to some administrative headbutting the western allies (USA, UK, France) had with the FRG. The Soviet Union allowed the GDR to enforce its conscription in East-Berlin.
The border between the FRG and GDR was even more heavily fortified and had a broad cordon sanitaire towards the side of the GDR, which was filled with guard houses and regularly patrolled. In Berlin the distance you had to cross was far smaller.
nooo don't give us a major sea port, we'd rather have belarusians swamps
nigga?
In the HRE, generally western territories were more split up because they had more generations to split between sons in the inheritance, whereas in the east, the territories were larger because they were more recently conquered. because they were so much larger and more powerful, the eastern territories then were
the most influential in the disunited germany, and people moved to their cities more.
projection
plus there were people living there, you know?
projection
i don't think you know what that means
there were people
nothing a little cleansing can't fix
This disturbs my map autism so much it's unreal
it's not "random", it's exactly done so we have all of Szczecin in Poland
the town on the eastern side isn't a part of the city
Dąbie? Nowadays it is.
But still again - Stalin did it exactly so all of Szczecin is in Poland, that's why the border isn't along the Oder in this place. This cannot be called "random" if it follows comprehensive logic (even if you don't like it)
thank god you don't live in the balkans
idk if it was about belarussian swamps, i think it was more like compensation for Lwów
Germans call Pomerania only that part which consists of Farther Pomerania and Hither Pomerania?
Yes. The land east of that, around Danzig, we call West Prussia
When people generally speak of Pommerania they probably mean something like the prussian Province of Pommerania.
For further distinctions one would use the name of the various ducal iterations.
why would you lie ?
who knowsss
you see that Versailles was probably the fairest peace in history of Europe because it strictly followed ethnic boundaries, I have no idea how Hitler managed to convince Germans that they were fooled by Entente
What do they say?
It was the demilitarization bit, not the land bit that triggered most. Germany was basically told that it can’t be a great power anymore.