Do they (historically) regret becoming Muslims and wish they were Christian instead?
Do they (historically) regret becoming Muslims and wish they were Christian instead?
From what I've seen, anti-Muslim Turks are either Westernized atheist liberals or "vgggh Tengri" pagan larpers. In either case, they have no affinity for Christianity.
I wasn't alive when we became Muslim.
Turk man, what is the zeitgeist of present day turkey?
I’ve seen orthodox larpers from Turkey on TikTok and Reddit and even YouTube comment sections, but yeah those other two you mentioned are far more common
Are you talking about the actual central Asian Turks or the turkzied larpers in Anatolia? The former became Muslim between the 700s and the 900s via Arab conquerors and mostly Muslim preachers. The latter became Muslim via the former.
It’s basically this . The ones becoming christian do that because they think that the western world is still christian in some way.
turks(anatolias) unironically say they were civilized back when they were nomad because they got no islamic infleunce. its funny because its not true islam civilized turkic barbarians second anatolians have nothing to do with turkics genetically
That’s bullshit, turks became muslim during the 12th century due to persian missionaries. You arabs did nothing aside from getting your shit pushed in by the byzantines during that time.
What do you mean?
actual central Asian Turks or the turkzied larpers in Anatolia
Lol. Is this how you cope?
Considering that a good chunk of them had an ancestor who changed his name from Peepeepoopolis to Peepeepoglu there's gotta be a couple looking to RETVRN TO TRADITION
You guys should regret becoming Christian cultists
islamism
nihlism
jihadism
extreme nationalism
fascism
anatolians have nothing to do with turkics genetically
Saar, why do I see your 80IQ replies every thread related to us?
Sovl
those percentages make you less turkic than mexicans being iberian or black americans being anglo
By the 12th century Turks have been majority Muslim for a hundred years. I clarified that they became Muslim mostly due to preachers in the 900, but you can’t read.
impossible. turkish education system brainwash anatolians effectively with anti christian nationalist ideology. seculars in turkey hate westerns more than islamists. this most popular secular kemalist slogan : we drowned greeks in agean(yunani dhenize doktuk)
My northern Chink ass probably has more Central Asian blood than that lmao
Turks were converted by arabs retard. Then muslim turks mass converted the rest
Why do americans seethe uncontrollably whenever muslims are brought up? Freedom of conscience is in your constitution you retard
hes a diaspora nationalist turd dont give a reply bro. diaspora turds are more nationalist than turds from anatoli.
Nah I can read but you are full of shit.
You are the retard, there is a reason why most religious concepts have persian names for turks.
I don't care. When you marry an Asian woman and you have a child he doesn't become half White / half Chinese. He becomes whatever language and culture you teach him.
What I said is common knowledge you idiot. During the 900’s only the Volga Bulghars were muslim.
turks look no different than arabs or persians but somehow they make themselves believe we are turkic sar larp. increddible levels of delusion.
Because we hate Islam and see as something wrong and to be corrected.
regret becoming Muslims
Yes
wish they were Christian
Not really but better than being Muslim
it's only 40% bro
You are literally indian
based
You are not American though?
Arab conquests just introduced Islam to Central Asia. Only some tribes converted and they started to battle between themselves for religion. Mass conversions and also adapting the settled lifestyle started with Persian scholars' teachings.
why dont you fuck off to your country?
we dont want your kind in this country
The Volga bulgars became Muslim by an Arab Muslim preacher, not a Persian one.
You know that ethnicity and nationality and culture doesn't work like that right? Like for example France people speak a language that came from Anatolia.
Satuq was the first convert.
What's the honest-to-Allah percentage of Turkish society divided by the hardliner, ummah-above-all, return-to-caliphate Muslims and the AtaturkDaGod, steppe wolf warrior, moon-and-star on my chest types? Are there a lot of overlap between the two? Also please include the uneducated religious rural bumpkin in your calculation, they're usually a major but forgotten factor in these discussions.
I'm not turkish. But we should accept mormonism or something. Protestant ethics without christianity — b-based?
I am just stating facts. Americans hate you because of that. Also the tower.
They were one tribe of many you retard. The rest of the turkic tribes became muslim during the 12th century because of the persians. Also a reminder that araba got the last prophet because your ancestors were absolute degenerates.
Last prophet is Adnan Otkar you degenerate retard.
As based as he is he is not a prophet.
As based as he is
Kill yourself.
The Seljuk empire was formed and peaked in the 11th century. By the 12th century there wasn’t even one Persian political entity.
what do you even mean by regret
obviously if the person who is answering this is muslim they will say no
and historically if the oghuz turks and seljuks did not convert to islam the history of the world would change drastically and it woud be unrecognizable and unpredictably different so this question is stupid in itself
Ataturk wasn’t a pan-turkist honestly. That group is different and there are basically two flavours of those as well. You have one kind that believes turks should become tengrists another are muslim and nationalist. They want a federation with the other turkic countries.
As based as he is
topkek
are you a cultist that got there by claiming to be a refugee?
Are there a lot of overlap between the two?
they are literally same shit with different flavour.
basically all turks expect some tiny minority of liberal turks agree on authoritarianism, intolerance of dissent, and state driven extreme nationalism. every part of turkish political blocks deny armenian genocide and right of kurdish people.
It was a fucking joke lol why are you guys so pissed off all the time?
That's an American thing it has nothing to do with Christianity we don't do that in Europe
in short, no.
we don't idolize christianity, we know they used live like shit until secularism. as a turk who lived in multiple regions of turkey, i have never encountered a single christian turk in my life. the only christians i have seen were armenians or tourists. most turks are muslim. the ones who are not muslim are mostly atheist, deist, etc. you will find more pagan or even satanist larping turks (there are like 10 of them) than christian larping turks (0).
why are you guys so pissed off all the time?
en.wikipedia.org
I'm one of his victims.
Things will improve eventually. Don’t let it get to you.
Show tits or gtfo.
he was an extremely disgusting son of a bitch
Only thing I know about him was that he started a cult and had caked up women dance with him on television desu.
netherlands flag that replied to you is a cultist diasporaid and the turkish flag that replied to you is a non-turk living here
ummah-above-all, return-to-caliphate Muslims
that is less than 5% of population including kurds
the AtaturkDaGod, steppe wolf warrior, moon-and-star on my chest types?
that is like 10 to 15% of population but they have different factions but they dont overlap with ummah lovers because those guys hate atatürk with passion
most islamists here are not like isis or whatever and have turkish or kurdish nationalism to an extent
you can see percantages by looking at turkish election results. ideologies are meme in turkey. nobody know why and what they believe in this country. they just repeat what they heard in media, school. (social conditioning)
Nigga go fuck yourself I’m no cultist. Also I more or less said the same thing as you.
neither was you arab pedophile.
It's the time we pretend that the Persians didn't civilize you?
we don't idolize christianity, we know they used live like shit until secularism.
When was that? Technically England is not a secular country. Most Catholic countries had a seperation of chruch and state at least since of Concordate of Worms. Or you mean the enlightenment? Because the Europeans were already colonzing the world by the time of the French revolution.
Yes he was and all your seethe won’t change a thing. I get that Europe losing it’s place in the sun hurts you but this is the logical conclusion of individualism.
God chose the Arabs because we had positives of civilised and nomadic societies leaving out most of the negatives. Arabs were known for their chivalry, generosity, bravery, tribal bonding and their love to record their history by mesmerising the tales of their poets, kings, knights, warriors, chiefs, and wise men which ensures that Islam will be l recorded and never altered like Christianity. They were the best. God honoured them, but that didn’t mean they were superior though. None of the nomadic people of that time(Berbers, Turks etc) or civilised(romans, Persians, Chinese) would’ve been able to recreate what Arabs did with Islam either with the conquests or preserving the religion. That’s god wisdom.
why are you so butthurt
stop forcing me to post anti kurdish stuff i am not racist
Please leave this website nigger
The world's leader power is crazy protestant nation. Second is China. Mohamed was a dirty Arab pedophile cult leader and if JD Vance wills it you will be deported to Afghanistan.
thank you for civilizing turks. they were eating horse meat and rap ingeach other before arabs showed them diginity, honor, laws of allah.
They were never christian, they had their mongolic heya hoya folk religion
kek
here they say god chose arabs because they were literal subhumans and they needed to be civilized like they burried new born children alive to get rid of them and shit
Arabs sacrificed babies by burying them alive and had literal gangbangs and shit. When a woman got pregnant from that a soothsayer would decide who the father was. Same when a prostitute got pregnant. Gambling was also widespread. You got sent Islam because you could spread it wel but also because you needed it so much.
Just by 5 minute of basic google research you can see why they boo them. ISIS attacked Turkey countless times before but UEFA didn't organize moment of silence for Turkish National Team. ISIS killed more people than they did in the West and you think thousands of Turks in stadium are ISIS supporters. I called you 80IQ but looks like you are even worse.
And show what happened to Turks in Western Thrace. Kek.
dont give (you)
it's bait
The US as an institution will probably continue to be strong for a while but the original american people (various european immigrants) will lose their position of power as their numbers dwindle further. The future of the US is latin american.
turks were cheering when isis blow up leftist crowds in suruc and ankara. cut the bullshit.
Why would we? There is no positive to becoming Christian when you are not white. Christian shitholes in Africa and Latin America would like a word with those of you who believe otherwise.
ISIS was created by the US and Israel to destabilize the middle east. They were fought mostly by muslims like turks and iraqis.
So? Like how is that related to anything.
Islam is a downgrade. It only made Arabs more subhumans. Look at Germanics like the dutch. Before Christianity they lived in swamps. Meanwhile the only reason Arabs have buildings is because Americans taught them how to read and write.
Your culture is destroying your people.
How is that related to anything you tard?
Islam is an ethnic religion of arabs and is only suitable for arabs, and for real arabs from the Arabian peninsula. Islam causes real brain cancer in ajam goyim. In general, it is something like anime o algo
This is the narrative for Balkan Muslims too btw. But most Arab Muslims have a literal chosen people superiority complex like Jews.
That was a certain period before islam they weren’t always like this, that’s why they didn’t need prophets before unlike jews. Also it’s not like god was ever going to send a messenger to you non abrahamites.
Instead of hating on muslims try to fix yourself first.
The prophet literally said in his last sermon that no people is inherently superior to another.
Every people got a prophet at least once. The ones in the holy books are mentioned so that people can take a lesson from them. Some people say Zarathustra was a prophet of Allah for example. It makes sense too as he brought monotheism to a polytheistic society.
Islam only really blossomed under the oversight of non-Arabs. It was Persians and Mesopotamians who led the golden age and simply adopted the language of Arabs, but they were already high cultures before.
You can say they regressed even in some ways, since ancient Mesopotamian laws forbad consanguine marriages, but Arab tribal encouraged it. Arabs love the Umayyad caliphate, which was ethnic supremacist.
Gulf Arabs had the least intellectual culture among all "Arabs" and were literally living in tents up until the 20th century, with slave markets that were only outlawed in the 60s due to UN pressure.
anti kurdish stuff
It's some indian nigger, I saw him posting some images of some naked twink stepping on the Turkish flag while holding a piece of cardboard with some shit written on it about loving his indian masters or whatever, only an indian would possess and care about such retarded images.
The words of the prophet, and the words of Ibn Taymiyya and Wahhabi scholars are very different. The former said the Arabs were most outclassing in ignorance and hypocrisy, the latter that they are a superior holy race.
How is that related to anything?
Islam is just nomadism turned into a religion.
Ride
Conquer
Tax them
The problem is that Arab Genghis Khan was too stupid to look up the source material.
no no
you don't notice it but i can notice it
a prophet of abrahamic descent. Like daniel jonah and partially joseph and moses they weren’t sent to jews but they were abrahamites themselves.
The Salafist ISIS and Al Qaeda remnants that marched onto Damascus and are currently busy hunting down Syrian minorities, even wearing the patches of those groups, were trained and protected by Erdogan's army. Turkey viewed them as a useful proxy against PKK in Syria, in the beginning. Obviously that stopped somewhat once they started attacking Turkey itself. But in 2014, the Turkish government was even viewed as a state ally of ISIS by regional and NATO powers. After ISIS went rogue, they forged an alliance with the more "moderate" Al Qaida fraction, which was Jolani's group.
normies? no. even the modernist pro-EU normies that open their ass double down on turkish nationalism to cope with their entire identity being a contradiction.
me? yes. it's among the most catastrophic historical events imo. the world missed out on another italy tier comfy paradise.
Arabs scholars were more than Persian scholars.