makes EVs affordable and saves the planet
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Makes EVs affordable and saves the planet
the problem with EVs is that they don't last as long as gas engine cars, its lithium ion batteries at the end of the day.
Why did the EU put such harsh tariffs on Chinese vehicles?
They will eat up their shitty auto industry which is basically the last thing europe produces industrially.
The rest of their economy is a hollow bubble of services and luxury goods that can be made anywhere else
Gas will run out. EV is future.
That's no longer true especially with increasing advances in battery life, like the switch to lithium iron phosphate which is more safer and reliable. EVs also have fewer moving parts than gas-engine cars and they require less maintenance than gas-engine cars. No oil changes, spark plug replacements, transmission replacement, etc
The reputation from the batteries failing comes from ones made 10+ years ago. Battery technology has come a very long way since then and it's only going to get better. For instance, EVs are now less likely to catch fire than gas vehicles with EVs having a much lower fire rate per 100,000 vehicles sold. With the coming switch to LFP, these new types of batteries are inherently non-combustible.
Like this isn't a bad thing. Less climate problems means less climate refugees from the global south.
EVtards are the biggest threat to the environment. God forgive those retarded soy manchildren.
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within a year, there'll be a string of mysterious car accidents and we'll find out all the temu cars randomly shut down in normal use
THANK YOU CHINA
thank you based xi
i only wish the chargers rolled out quicker.
saves the planet
Now let's see where you get energy for EVs, how the production of their polluting the environment. And how you cannot really utilise the batteries in modern world.
Gas won't. I meant easy petrol might. But gas as gas won't. And you can still drive cars on just gas.
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO BE RELIANT ON JUICE OF THE JEWS, YOU CAN'T GENERATE YOUR OWN POWER!
You will rely on the batteries of the jews in such case. If you want it really accessible for everyone, we should switch to hydrogen.
hello, gazprom
it's still more efficient to burn the fuel at a power plant than in your car, even with transmission losses and all
batteries
saving the planet
Fossil fuel extraction does way more environmental destruction and pollution than lithium mines.
And if an EV cars gets its energy from a coal plant, electric cars still produce far less emissions than ice cars due to the efficiency of grid scale coal generators vs millions of individual gas cars.
But these energy plants can also be powered by renewable energy so the point is becoming moot.
You can also recycle EV batteries but you can't recycle the emissions from fossil fuels during combustion.
You can also recycle EV batteries
Give me sources. From what I've seen the most "recycling" way was to rip some parts off and the burn the battery.
There's literally an EV battery recycling plant near me in Georgia. There are an increasing amount of them throughout the US.
theicct.org
90% of the metals in these batteries like lithium, cobalt, and nickel can be recovered. And the tech is continually improving. There's a company call Redwood Materials that have developed processes that now recovers over 95% of critical minerals.
blog.ucs.org
thecooldown.com
This only works until Chinese wages are low
And no they don't just burn the leftover materials (like plastics, carbon powder, casing components). It's mechanically separated then used for other industrial processses.
Looks like fake studies to me,but since you posted it and I can't fright back your argument, I admit, you won.
you cope by saying chinese are all slaves, but they're also more advanced than you
I admit, you won
Rare sight on this site, have a good day xir
Being advanced means nothing if it does not lead to higher quality life. It is like communists bringing up the USSR space achievements as if it helped the average person. Jeff Bezos being rich is a better argument for the USA than space achievements for the USSR or "advancements" for China. At least Bezos employs a lot of people, many of them are well paid
VW could have all their labor subsidize by the government and they still couldn't compete with BYD. That's because labor is only 5-7 percent of an EV. It's a small percentage since EVs have only 20 moving parts compared to 200+ moving parts in ICE vehicles.
China's advantage is their economy of scale, integrated supply chain, homegrown battery tech and a brutal, brutal race to the bottom domestic price war that most Chinese EV companies won't survive to see 2027. They also graudates football size stadium of people that study specificly battery chemistry programs each year. Batteries are the heart of the cars and the most expensive part. Their tech is ahead right now.
Sure, I'm not denying they are ahead in battery technology also I generally dislike when people make excuses and pretend they just steal everything
But look at the Baumol effect
en.wikipedia.org
China greatly benefits from cheap human labour still
Tbqh I would prefer poor, but advanced humanity than otherwise. Nowadays most of the things are focused on consuming, not on the real purpose of our being. I think humanity will extinct.
Not to mention their wages are increasing anyways. If labor cost was the factor, India would dominate the EV industry right now.
Being advanced means nothing if it does not lead to higher quality life
No but it means their manufacturing will stay competitive, we weren't talking about quality of life. I don't care how the chinese live, it's none of my business.
At least Bezos employs a lot of people
Employment isn't an indicator of quality of life, because hiring a bunch of people to do nothing all day doesn't actually lead to better material conditions. It's partly why the soviet union fell behind. Productivity matters above all.
I think it's a different mentality. Americans are hyper individualistic, creative and respond with extreme violence to any repression. We refuse to give up and fight until we die. We don't accept things the way they are and don't care about the past. Our biggest threat is our baby boomers refusing to realize their age. Elsewhere this would be accepted. Here it is not.
If labor cost was the factor, India would dominate the EV industry right now.
Chinese people are highly more organised than Indians. Even if India would have some great minds. Culture I guess.
Tbqh I would prefer poor, but advanced humanity than otherwise.
No such thing. The default state of everything man-made is decay. Even if you argued that things are already fine the way it is you need money to upkeep. Just look up Switzerland vs Russia.
I don't care how the chinese live, it's none of my business.
Yeah so we are just talking about next to each other really. I don't think being advanced means that much. Like South Korea is really advanced but it comes with a lot of downsides. A country like Slovenia is completely irrelevant yet their quality of life is pretty high. In many ways life is really unfair, the Chinese are probably never going to achieve a high quality West Euro or some nicer suburb in America type of QoL
What South Korea has done from literal nothing is extremely impressive and they are nowhere there anyway.
We refuse to give up and fight until we die.
Kek. The moment fast food places would close and you could not get one day Amazon delivery people would give up.
America is a very thin culture held together only by economy. If you had the inflation levels of Argentina or the stagnation of Italy or Greece the country would be at a civil war right now. This does not make Americans "tough" it is just thin culture where the country is more like an economic zone. But people are super pampered
The biggest factor to China's EV success was that they made a major bet on the EV industry decades ago. All the other legacy automakers fell asleep at the wheel.
And isn't it a good thing governments are subsidizing automakers to switch to greener, less polluting vehicle? China used to have a lot of air pollution/smog, it's much less nowadays.
Since 2008, pollution countrywide has declined by about 40 percent, and by about 50 percent in Beijing. Because of these reductions, Chinese citizen can expect to live 2 to 4 years longer. And this is from U.S. consulates across Chinese cities providing daily air quality repors and hyper-localized satellite pollution measurements for the entire world.
I'm not talking about the quality of life or one country better than the other.
Someday the resources will end and the humanity will extinct, if we won't be pushing on science and development instead of consumerism.
Consumerism is just another form of competition which is the real driver of innovation, the space programs were just a product of competition between states.
Without consumerism we would have long periods of no development happening in-between major wars, i think we'd be far worse off without it. And if nations stopped competing because someone invented the world government, it's stagnation until extinction.
Without consumerism we would have long periods of no development happening in-between major wars,
Who knows. Where do you think all current spending of the resources will drive us on? In your described case they would have been preserved at the least.
We need to nationalize lithium and rare earths just like we nationalized petroleum
I think science and development are incompatible with the low footprint lifestyle that you're suggesting, it's one or the other. Resources would be easy enough to procure in the solar system if we ever ran out of earth resources, but there's enough here for thousands of years at least, the availability tends to go up as you develop better techniques to extract them.
We could either create much more significant in scientific competition or preserve the resources instead of spamming and buying shitty and shittier product every year.
This was a good paper in my opinion on the environmental impact of NMC811 batteries and different recycling potentials for them
sciencedirect.com
That would be considered a lil communism if tried today and the president would be impeached
Wake me up when he makes Elon Musk kill himself though...
They are trying not to partner up with Elon who is hesitant giving the history. They have claimed to have a lot of "technology" and patents before like when they built the plant turns out they had nothing and just copied most of his system. The thought is they are doing it again. The books as appear to be cooked. It might happen in the next 3 months if it does. Elon got his money for the Chinese plants but they were breaking contracts and stealing technology. They basically added extra little things on everything to make it appear new. If they did fess up he'd probably consider it.