Why don’t the dutch speak normal german as their standard language and keep their regional dialect as a local thing like others parts of germany?
Why don’t the dutch speak normal german as their standard language and keep their regional dialect as a local...
I guess it's because they had more commercial dealings with the English and French than with the (other) Germans
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why do different countries speak different languages
Dutch is a dialect of German
better question is why didn't present day north germany just join holland to form greater netherlands?
Why don't you have your own language? Lmao.
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Why don't the mexicans speak normal spanish as their standard language and keep their regional dialect as a local thing like other regions of spain?
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Why don’t the dutch speak normal english as their standard language and keep their regional dialect as a local thing like others parts of the uk?
German is a dialect of Dutch
hitler dood, chud
They fought an 80 year independence war against the king of Spain, who massacred them for being Protestants, but that king of Spain was also the holy Roman emperor, so the closest representative to the concept of Germany at the time. They then tried to alienate themselves as much as possible to nullify any reasons the HRE emperors might have said to justify bringing them back into the fold. "Guys we totally aren't German, don't incorporate us into any empires/confederations, let us be independent". It worked, and now 400 years later here we are
actually that would be a valid question to ask why the Netherlands always remained on the sidelines and did not integrate with HRE/Germany in any way, why did they not feel the Germanic spirit calling them to reunite with their brethren?
who massacred them for being Protestants
okay, but catholic German dukes also massacred protestants in various German duchies yet it never made them renounce their German identity
They didn't care that much about being German back then
They speak Mesican
it was around the same time it happened in the Netherlands (16-17th centuries)
also, a big chunk of the Netherlands is catholic as well yet afaik southern Duchies never expressed a wish to reunite with whatever catholic German state either
that was just inter German banter
N*ggerlands is a colony of the Orange family and nothing else. Our national identity is being owned by the Oranges and the only reason we're not a part of Germany is because the Oranges don't own it too
Dutch > English
Guys we totally aren't German, don't incorporate us into any empires/confederations, let us be independent
Have you heard dutch tho? it's very different from german..
germany is a land country and netherlands is a sea country
two fundamental different mindsets
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When your local lord starts oppressing you, you overthrow him, put a new guy on the throne, and that's that. There isn't anyone to declare independence from.
When the guy oppressing you is 1000 km away, doesn't speak your language, and you're only a tiny part of his kingdom, it's easier to break away than try to overthrow all of that.
What I wrote above you + they got hella rich once they were independent and didn't want that taxed away. They never really got poor enough or had so much instability that they'd request help from and integration into the larger German community, and so just never did.
i've read a bit. i reckon it's still quite distinct.
maybe austria & denmark & luxembourg & switzerland should be part of germany too but they'r not for unique historical reasons & fair enough because thats not what the people of those countries want either
We have much stronger and earlier national identity than the constant Frankenstein creations of Germany.
I understand you're probably memeing, but English accents have nothing on how different they sound from one another. im from the Rhineland area, and I can understand spoken Dutch about as well as other Platt dialects or Bavarian (10-20%), and slightly better than Swiss or tyrolean (0-10%). I'm talking about dialects here btw most are dead or dying, the regional accents you hear nowadays are much closer to what you have in English where it sounds funny, but you understand pretty much everything.
Btw written dutch I can pretty much read if I focus a little, I understand ~80% of it.
*On how different German dialects sound from one another
ok now explain why Luxembourg isn't part of Germany
Their royals were afraid of losing their power
Their royals were afraid of losing their power
and mighty German kaisers with an invincible army cared about what their little helpless royals wanted because?
They made a deal with France
By the time Standard German was developed and actually enforced by the different german polities (18th and 19th century), the Netherlands were their own state.
You could argue that the independant states of the Low Countries found an end already in the late 14th century, when they were aquired by the Burgundian State. Then the composite mass of states fell to the Habsburgs and in the middle of the 16th century entirely to the spanish branch of the Habsburg family. So the "seperation" from Germany/the HRE took place much earlier.
Look up the London Conference of 1867
The tl;dr is that in 1867 Napoleon III. of France wanted to buy the Grand Duchy of Luxemburg, as the German Confederation (Luxemburg was a part of it) was dissolved in 1866. This led to much outrage within Luxemburg and many of the german states.The aforementioned London Conference was a compromise and stated that Luxemburg should become an independent and neutral country.
And in WW1 the neutrality of Luxemburg was breached by the German Empire.
is Luxembourg nowadays more culturally and politically aligned with France or Germany?
Nobody (besides tax evaders) cares about Luxemburg.
Not sure about the Dutch but the Flemish are eternally cursed to have a concrete block tied to their anckles (walloons) to hold them down for all eternity
there is no escape. We have turned away from God and he is punishing us.
do you reckon with time people in belgium will be less or more separatist? spose it doesn't matter if everyone's in the EU
Less for exactly the reason you posted.
Belgium also is already far more 'separate' than it was 50 years ago.
Most policies are are regulated and decided at the regional (Flemish/Walloon) level and that will most likely continue due to Flemish pressure. But at the moment the majority of Flemish people do not support independence and even if they did it would not be possible because of the EU (Spain would block Flemish access to the EU due to their Catalonia situation) and because of our constitution, which was set up specifically to make a split up impossible. So the only way it happens is by econimically ruining ourselves and a literal coup.