best part of Finland
Russia turns it into a shithole
why though?
Best part of Finland
I would really like to go there
At least the entire Finland didn't become a SSR
my ancestors were from there, no one in my family has been there since 1944
Slavism
it's gone forever and will never be the same it once was
boooferzooners need to booff their zooones
RVSSIAN VVORLD!
Chuhna, you still won't understand anything
SOVL overload
best part of Finland
how is that possible if it was already part of Russia between 1721-1809?
why not? at least in the 1990s it should have been possible
It was part of the Grand Duchy of Finland mainly inhabited by Finns. The cities there were established by Swedes and saw great development.
In 1939, Vyborg had approximately 86,000 inhabitants. Vyborg had sizable minorities of Swedes, Germans, Russians, Romani, Tatars and Jews.
Vyborg was the junction of five railways and its rail yard was the largest in the Nordic countries. The Vyborg-Terijoki section of the railway was the busiest section in Finland. In general, the rail network of the Karelian Isthmus was the densest in the entire country.
All of Finland considered Vyborg the "Mecca" of Finnish art life, whose old historical urban environment helped inspire artists to create.
Vyborg was a trading city, with many merchant families originating from the Kareian Isthmus and other parts of Finland, as well as Central Europe, Scandinavia and Russia. The Vuoksi region was considered the Ruhr of Finland in the 1930s.
Finland's first bus station was built in Vyborg in 1932. The densely populated Karelian Isthmus was a favorable area for bus traffic.
The traditions of urban culture and construction were unique in the entire country. After all, no other Finnish city had buildings from the 15th and 16th centuries. Efforts were made to preserve and protect this uniqueness.
Most densely settled + a lot of trade with Russia before Communism so fast economic development. I have ancestors who moved from Western Finland to there for a better life.
Finland had a massive economic depression in the 90s
a lot of trade with Russia
so Russia good or Russia bad because im already confused
why though?
because you lost the war?
massive economic depressions in firstie paradises mean that they can only afford to go to the Maldives for one week instead of two weeks every year
it surely couldn't have been an obstacle to visit a city just behind the border
Trade is good doesn't matter who with. Slava ukraini though.
Russia can be good and we wish they always were. They are our neighbors and we will always have to live with them.
What Russia? It was simply a possession of the german Holstein-Gottorp-Romanow dynasty. And the local aristocracy was granted autonomy.
My ancestors
so you mean Finns enjoy being under or with Russia as long as it's a "good" iteration of Russia?
fine, I'm just trying to find out what actual Finnish attitude to Russia is to know if it aligns with our understanding of Russia or not
russia is good, its just communism that is bad
we have a different opinion here but okay, if Finns think so that's their right
we just need to know to what extend we can possibly cooperate and where it becomes impossible
For fucks sake don't try to get the opinion of Finns on this board it's full of mentally ill people and Zainichi Russians
Finns went from disliking Russia to being neutral and to disliking again
Zainichi Russians
I'd expect Russians who somehow made it to Finland to be the most zealous self-haters and anti-Russians overall
In the 90s anyone with any verifiable trace of Finnish ancestry from Russia could freely move to Finland. This created a home-grown community of incel vatniks.
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but why would a Russian patriot move out of Russia, especially to Finland which was known for being anti-Russian?
do they at least speak Finnish?
many Ingrian Finns also moved here, one of my friends is one whose parents moved here in the 90s, they have a traditional Finnish surname that ends in -nen
Russians of Russia be like
Yoink! Mine now axaxaxaxa
turns area into permanent shithole
They and I mean like people who are something like 3/4 Russian 1/4 Finnish were born here to Zainichi parentage and grow up here, go to Finnish schools and end up with utterly psychotic levels of hatred towards Finns due to ethnic alienation or whatever and dedicate their lives to slurping on Putler cum.
It's not that there's a lot of these but a few thousand turboautistic retards can make a lot of noise by being terminally online. I've seen so many different ones on Anon Babble and Ylilauta.
It's in their nature
though kinda weird how Vyborg area isn't any better than other parts of Russia, generally in Russia you can see a pattern that areas inhabited by foreign colonists like Germans along the Volga are better off than average Russia despite being ruled by the same shitty government
one could think Finnish superiority should prevail over Russian mismanagement in Vyborg and local community made up of people of Finnish origin should feel the faustian spirit to improve their land disregarding whether the Russian governments does anything for them itself
ethnic alienation
why though, average Russian is not distinguishable from a Finn by look, why would anyone alienate them, assuming they were already born in Finland and spoke Finnish natively
or Finns are so racists so if someone found out that his parents are not fully Finnish then he immediately cut off any contact with him
Why did the Russians remove all these buildings?
even Karelian Finnish evacuees were called Russians in western Finland and discriminated against in the 1940s, people are stupid
I can't comment on their experiences only the end result. I think it's really just Russian culture or Russian genetics to be a vatnik and it's not that they were forced into it by Finns.
local community made up of people of Finnish origin
where does such a community exist? certainly not in Vyborg or elsewhere in what once was Finnish Karelia
Blocked wifi signal for their csgo and homm3 tournaments
Germans say that their Turks are the same so i doubt it's really about genetics, it must be about something else
I've never come across people like that
You have actually if you've browsed Anon Babble for any amount of time. The guy who keeps making threads about muh Swedish language classes and muh evil Swedish Empire is a self-admitted Russian who is proud of his great-grandpa fighting for Stalin. Makes sense since every single Russian poster is some turboautistic retard.
Other way around
I hate this timeline. Fuck every ryssä.
average Russian is not distinguishable from a Finn by look
Ehhh, the Russianised Balts that between Poland St Pete look like Finns, sure, but the rest don't.
Retard everyone has a positive opinion on a country they can freely trade with and not have any geopolitical drama with. Currently it's not like that but if it were it would make sense to establish good diplomatic relations since they're neighbors and the benefit is mutual. Only idiots form their opinion on a nation from muh history instead of interest
I am just russorealist, Russia is always the same and never changes for real
They'll change when the stupid commies die. In capitalism everyone sooner or later realizes that they have to become cooperative and learn to sell themselves to others in order to prosper
b-but le Turkey/America/Croatia are inherently evil b-because I cannot apply the same logic when it's about my country and historical experiences!
It's not about communism. Russians have expansionism hardwired into their genes. This has been traced back to the times of the Moscow Principality.
Reddit tier response. If it were up to me business would be booming with these countries by now just like you should be considering opening up to Russia once the war is over and Putin's regime is weakened since your're neighbours. Unless somehow you have a reason not to get into a market of hundreds of millions of people
Yeah which is why hundreds of thousands of Russians flock to Serbia Georgia Armenia and other third countries because they're so happy that Russia invaded Ukraine