Why was Vietnam able to latinize their written language but not China? Wouldn't this have been good for boosting literacy much quicker?
Why was Vietnam able to latinize their written language but not China...
You lose a trade war to a country that still uses hieroglyphs.
It wouldn't. Latin script isn't some magic literacy booster.
One was thoroughly colonized, the other not as much.
latin in particular isn't but an alphabet is thoughever
it is
Not really. Ataturk just used latin because he was a turbo westerncuck. They could've easily thought of a sinplified version of the Arabic script for the Turkish language or any script really, people just keep that shit complicated because muh tradition. In Serbian the latin and cyrillic scripts are just reskins of eachother, and even back when the modern Serbisn cyrillic script was being made the church was against it
Because they were colonized by us
latin suits better to turkish
Not even the case either since plenty of other areas managed to spread literacy without an alphabet.
It isn't. People just think Latin script can magically do that even though there's plenty of counter examples to prove otherwise on top of the reality of people learning multiple scripts as is.
There was already local use of a latin script sanctioned by the French rulers. When they got independence and wanted to go for mass literacy there were no good alternatives, only Chinese and more cumbersome Chinese
it is better because it's the easiest alphabet in the world and if is suits your language there is nothing wrong with adapting it
it's the easiest alphabet in the world
I have honestly never seen any evidence supporting this claim. What would even make it easier than say, Greek or Armenian? It's just widespread because the greatest empires happened to use it.
You might as well say that English is the easiest language in the world
Because they were a french colony
If the colony lasted for more time they would've adopted french language too
i mean it's definitely easier than other major alphabets like arabic cyrillic indian runic cyrillic etc.
not even talking about chinese writing system, 1.5 billion people are wasting their time learning bullshit
Don't the chinese have a simplified version?
it is better because it's the easiest alphabet in the world
That's basically impossible to prove. Especially since the only testable way to prove it is impossible to sample out on a large replicable scale.
if is suits your language there is nothing wrong with adapting it
Literally every script can be shaped and molded to "fit" the language. That's how they change over the ages.
simplified characters? or do you mean latinized chinese, pinyin?
able to
You mean forced to by the French?
Simplified characters
Vietnam was throughgly colonized by the French; Ho Chi Minh was educated in Paris and greatly admired the American & French revolutionary movements. The CCP also did institute a streamlining of language to promote literacy by simplifying Chinese characters and making it the standard across the entire country
That's basically impossible to prove.
you can compare and decide yourself? idk
Literally every script can be shaped and molded to "fit" the language.
you can fit english into chinese characters but you can also fit chinese into latin alphabet, do you think it's the same thing?
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not that big difference desu you still have to memorize thousands of characters
they should just switch to latin already
They already spoke French during the Indochina years. It's just varied based on location and they still spoke Vietnamese. One kf ybe main reason the first indochina ear broke out was becuase the westernized prez and his wife were utter shits and actively antgonized Viet culture and the Buddhism faith while shilling Catholicism and the corruption up top. They were continuing French policy but when the new guys basically continued it but amped it up of course they'd get angry.
literacy rate is higher in china than in the us though
they should just switch to latin already
That would only appeal to non-Chinese speakers who don't even read their lit/media. You aren't the audience, Wang is.
Ataturk really cucked you guys lol, couldn't even be Japan or Russia where you have both your traditional language and a Latin alphabet
You aren't the audience, Wang is.
like if they use latin i would understand their language lol
we are talking for the people who speak the language, and i say chinese characters are not very practical
They are not practical if you don't grow up in the Sinosphere
i would understand their language
You wouldn't. More so if a language that is undergoing romanization doesn't mark tone in a tonal language lmao. I'm sure Pinyin and Viet marks but Igbo doesn't and written Igbo is a no pun intended literal cluster fuck.
i say chinese characters are not very practical
Yet they produce a ton of content with it and write papers in it.
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Oh, so you were including stuff like Arabic and Indian under "alphabet".
I'd only say Arabic is harder among those because it's the most ambiguous. Cyrillic, Indian, etc all give you everything you need to actually read the letters, so there's nothing harder about them, compared to Latin. Runes would even end up easier since there are less letters and only one case to remember.
Changing the script is like trying to answer a question no one asked. What would Chinese gain from going all Latin or shifting to it? They already have Pinyin as is for those niche use cases.
26 latin letters vs 2-3k characters
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Take a look at Japan and Taiwan, they're better off than most countries. The script itself is only marginally related to literacy.
Funnily enough in the case of the RoC and PRC the former is better off literacy wise despite simplified characters supposedly being "better" than traditional and easier to learn.
your traditional language
We have it, it's called Turkish.
If you're referring to Turkic script then yeah, it's a shame we don't use it. I wish we could swap over it gradually together with the other Turkic states.
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