Lmao the Vatican thinks the Chinese are more Catholic than the West

you arent supposed to hoard wealth. God hates greedy people

You really shouldn't talk about things you don't understand.

Read The Concept of Anxiety by Kierkegaard. It’s an analysis of Abraham sacrificing his son. Think about how what you said contradicts that.

Woah, the based chinkjeets and favelape alliance will save us

I am familiar with the works of Kierkegaard. Not even he was an irrationalist. Also, I thought we were talking about the Catholics? They've formally condemned fideism.

His literal thesis in that book is that faith comes above rationality. He calls genius demonic. You didn’t read anything of his. Reading wikipedia articles doesn’t count.

Everyone believes that faith is a movement of the whole person transcending reason. That doesn't mean reason has literally no utility, especially not in the management of practical affairs.

It does have utility. But putting reason above faith is heretical in all mainstream Christian sects. And Christianity certainly condemns both hoarding wealth and modern individualism. It’s the most collectivist religion out there only rivaled by Mahayana Buddhism.

Who put reason above faith? What are we arguing about? A sincere Christian can't have stupid ideas about politics?

A sincere Christian is always right about politics since he dogmatically believes his views on everything are right. And none of the Pope’s political views contradict Christianity. I repeat. Christianity is collectivist and anti-wealth by design.

since he dogmatically believes his views on everything are right

Are you not familiar with the concept of adiaphora, or...? What tax policy are you arguing is intrinsic to the Gospel? What is the kerygmatic stance on immigration?

Literally who made a comment

Ok since Pete Buttigieg is gay therefore all Americans are faggots now?

I do not see how collectivism and wealth are adiaphora since the Bible directly addresses these. The Son of God being a hobo carpenter with devout followers should tell you everything.

You are using these vague terms, "collectivism" and "wealth." Are you arguing that there is a New Testament mandate to engage in wealth confiscation and redistribution? The only real "politics" made explicit in the text is the absolute mandate to be subject to the governing authorities as ministers of God wielding the legitimate power of the sword to restrain evil.

That's not how Christianity works. Christianity has multiple sections set aside for certain people. The collectivism and asceticism belong to monasticism, which occupied much of the early church. The community and monarchical bishops after the early church focused on individual wealth and fair treatment of serfs. A balancing relationship between lower and higher classes. The Church's stance on politics is more about compromising while conserving individualism. Paganism, however, is even more collectivist because it bound one to a certain community, a certain set of rules for their whole life.

he's been the chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in Vatican City for decades
chancellor = top leader
it just makes me think that catholic church is a bunch of stupid losers when this say stuff like this

Based. USA has always been the country of the antichrist

how dare you call me out for my sins

You are the one who brought them up at first .

Are you arguing that there is a New Testament mandate to engage in wealth confiscation and redistribution?

Matthew 19:24
Not about wealth redistribution in the commie sense, but it certainly condemns hoarding wealth, which is the whole point of capitalism.

another delusional southerner, reminder Italy would be another Venezuela, had US glows not cucked it from turning red

Musk and other professors say stupid things all the time. That doesn't mean the university and company don't produce newer discoveries and research.

It does have utility. But putting reason above faith is heretical in all mainstream Christian sects

nonsensical, God is equated with truth and logic, so even when Catholics behave illogically they won't recognize it

The religious are way, way less duplicitous and post-truth, in general. Postmodernism is the pinnacle of delusion today.

Rich man, heaven, camel, needle eye. I thought that was a pretty cut and dry except but apparently prosperity gospel muttoids will do mental gymnastics about how he really didn't mean that rich people are evil

you are the one who brought them up first

Clearly without placing the significance on those words that you are.

which is the whole point of capitalism

Many would disagree. This is the point. Are these people wrong? Very possibly. Does that mean they're somehow damned? That we're justified by our tax policy alone?

musk rarely says anything stupid, there is a reason he's super rich.

What is the teleology behind capitalism in your opinion?

Capitalism is about hording wealth.

No, capitalism is about free trade. Condemnation of hoarding wealth exists as a norm in the West. The story of the dragon hoarding gold despite not being able to use it or being willing to part with it is an example. It's not about capitalism, it's about refusing to help others as the society falling apart. Jesus was born in a time when the Temple is on decline yet the Pharisees are enriching themselves

Rarely

No, his twitter comments are just moronic, he think Ukraine bioweapon is real.

How I perceive capitalism is completely irrelevant to what we're talking about, but if you're looking for a condemnation, sure, I can give you one.

Condemnation of hoarding wealth exists as a norm in the Wes

No it doesnt. Rich people are worshipped and envied.

Free trade leads to competition which leads to unequal wealth distribution. You are actively encouraged to hoard wealth to be on top of the game. I don’t have anything against that myself, but it’d say fairly confidently that Christianity condemns it. Hell, even the Romans thought traders were untrustworthy rats.

aren't they actively genociding muzzies? seems pretty catholic to me

The Bible was written in the age of princes. There was no expectation that a normal person would "have politics," or try to frame to themselves in their mind the ideal state. The command given to the common people in the Bible is one of humility and obedience. Basically, to be good subjects. The "politics" of a Christian state would be the conversion of the ruler and the formation of his character in Christ, the development of his faith, hope, and love, and the endless expansion of his wisdom. Judgment belongs to him. We just listen. And even if we have a bad ruler, it's better than having no ruler, and in the end our expectation is not in this world, but the next.

How tho

That's not how it worked before the Nietzschean bootlicking mindset came to be after the Trump era. The Christmas Carol protagonist is a banker.
Queen Fredegund lamented that because the king was hoarding wealth while the rest of the kingdom suffered. That God punished the entire family.
King Edward's story of encountering a demon sitting on his gold because he horded them as the expense of the Poor.

It's more about circulating wealth. Jesus didn't oppose trading. If you have too much wealth sitting in one place, you will be plundered. That's actually why people criticize the extravagance of monasteries, because they hoard wealth, making them easy targets for Raiders.

the extravagance of monasteries

u wot, m8?

I thought Europeans knew history.

Work you tent fuck.

Pardon?

ignore that bot

Monastery at the beginning were spiritual retreats. The rule of St. Benedict kept them simple, but they were also where the king and old elites went to retire. Their household donated lands and wealth to keep their high living standard. The monastery was also funded by the royalty because it's also a proto-university and library combined. When Charlemagne began a Carolingian Renaissance, he prioritized the monastery and bishop courts as education centers. Which is why later on there were movements such as Cistercian and Franciscan to return to a simplicity.

Huh?

I know that but what you're describing was clearly met with backlash, so it's not something intrinsic to monasteries themselves.

He's not wrong, there is nothing godly about American government. It is a cult of mammon & war

No, capitalism is about free trade

Wrong. Moron

No it's not. I literally said in Christianity has a section for every kind of people, even something like a monastery. There are many orders set aside for all kinds of people. If you want to live like the early church mendicants, you follow the Franciscans; if you want to engage in a social affair, you join the Dominicans, if you want to run a business, you join the mission orders, and you get to run schools and universities, etc.

an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production, """where the prices of goods and services are determined by a free market, driven by supply and demand""""

Capital will shut off access to markets if they feel their niche is being enroaches upon by a market that threatens them. Capital will go and overthrow or conquer countries that don't play ball with them so they can have access to their markets and resources. This libertarian "everyone just trades and acts in a rational manner according to the laws of supply & demand" is pie in the sky nonsense. Indistinguishable from how some college leftist views the world