far-right wins 10% in elections in Germany
everyone freaks out
far right wins 60% in elections in Italy and literally takes over the government
nobody cares
Why is this
Far-right wins 10% in elections in Germany
As we've seen time and time again, Italians are incompetent
AfD politicians are chuddier than Meloni
It is extremely dangerous to dilute the phrase 'far right'. You will boy-who-cried-wolf yourself into a shit situation
women
far right
why do people keep falling for it?
The far-right in Germany are unironically Russian-paid shills.
Meloni isn't either.
Did she ever did some dirty stuff? I am not talking about porno or naked photos
I mean, maybe people in Italy know her as a girl who went into swing parties or danced in clubs constantly or something of that nature? It seems like she loves fucking more than an average woman for sure
However she's a fucking president or whoever she is, means she's very dominant wonan what is a red flag
Meloni isn't far right, she is just right wing, even leans more to centre right
Meloni is italian for Italy
AfD are literal rusdog and chink spies and paid shills ordered to destroy EU and Germany.
Tony Blair Institute product
far right
It's more or less this. At least in the implied meaning and not as in literally being paid by Russia because the government would've banned them long ago if they were. Meloni is aligned to the post-war world order and wants to maintain the subjugation of Europe under America, it's just that her favorite flavor is the GOP instead of the Democrats. She still agrees to define her country's foreign policy according to the foreign policy of the state department. AfD is a continentalist party that wants to chudmaxx Germany independent of the democracies-band-together-against-the-chuds neoliberal framework. They are the chuds. This is being interpreted by the NAFOids as an attempt to ally with Russia, because their ideology thinks that dropping out of the America-aligned side of the post-war world order is just equivalent to joining the Warsaw Pact. It's a binary decision as if we're in the cold war, you're either with America or definitely with Russia. They do not permit the existence of the middle ground that is neither at the same time. This is mostly because a lot of these Anon BabbleEurope type of people come from countries like Ukraine who are completely unrelated to Europe and have never actually understood or been a part of Europe proper, so they perceive Europe as being an extension of the greater west and America, because they have no comprehension of what Europe even is. Their first unbiased and propaganda-free interpretation of "Europe", from all of their written history, comes from their modern democratic state, and it is only interpreted under the context of all of us being democracies who oppose putler together. Dropping out of this coalition of democracies is equivalent to betraying Ukraine, so their explanation is that you're being paid by Russia to do it. You are not allowed to complain about America abusing the relationship because this nuance does not exist in their thought process.
Reminder this is the same Italy that couldn't beat Greece and Ethiopia in a war
dropping out of the America-aligned side of the post-war world order is just equivalent to joining the Warsaw Pact. It's a binary decision as if we're in the cold war, you're either with America or definitely with Russia.
This is simply true. There will always be a superpower that minor countries must align with. The US doesn't do business with countries aligned with Russia, not does Russia do business with countries aligned with the US (that is unless Russia absolutely depends on it).
Germany on its own will never be a superpower again and AfD's moves to break up the EU mean they have no interest in turning Europe itself into a superpower. So where does an AfD Germany turn? It must be to Russia and China.
AfD was bought and paid for long before Ukraine and they've been rightly labelled for it. If anything, Ukraine has only made Russia pump more money into them. It's no surprise their support has only ballooned since the war - they didn't get this support even at the peak of Syrian refugees - and that support is concentrated almost 100% in Russophilic East Germany.
Aren’t AfD pro-Israel though?
Every European Chud party is pro-Israel, with an exception in Poland.
Look up the ethnic history of Russia's oligarchs.
just give them power and see their chuddism watering down as the moody's standard & poor's and fitch ratings go down and the spred goes up.
t. been there several times.
There is nothing wrong with the far right. There are a lot of things wrong with ziggers.
Germany on its own will never be a superpower again
This will definitely remain true for as long as people like you keep saying this line and insist that the only path to this continent's prosperity is as a client state of the thousand year mutt reich. This could've very easily been broken off when they had their little recession in 2008 by twisting the knife and actually acting as an independent superpower and dropping their toxic currency. This intentionally didn't happen and a lie was sold to us that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsing would've turned into a general collapse of not only America but everyone else around them, so both regions' monetary policies were synched up and fully aligned to prevent America's collapse so that "we do not collapse with them". This was done because we were and still are a client state. It lost us the upper hand in their fuckup, and now they hold the upper hand in our fuckup on the continent.
I'm sure that another such opportunity will present itself as America is the most unstable that it has ever been. But no gain will be extracted and subjectivity will never be achieved for as long as some random hohol who fled to Australia gets to tell us what to do.
Germany's average age is 45.
The demographics of their youth is beyond salvaging.
Germany isn't becoming a superpower alone. They might have a shot as part of a broader, more conservative EU, but again the AfD has no interest in it. They would prefer the EU broken up and the continent divided into spheres of influence - exactly as the Russians want.
Your cope levels are in the stratosphere.
Germany's average age is 45.
Bullshit Zeihanist argument that is used to justify Europe's attachment to America, while America's average race is brown and violent and 85 IQ and much, MUCH worse than "The demographics of their youth is beyond salvaging.". You don't need a 3 fertility rate in the age of AI. Stop listening to these braindead youtube propaganda channels and specifically to Zeihan the homosexual jew.
italians have no power
what are they gonna do? throw spaghetti at their enemies?
even when they were true fascists they didnt amount to much more than a joke
The Dutch government consists of only right wing parties. The biggest party is from Geert Wilders who wants to ban the Islam. And the Prime Minister is unelected and the former head of the secret service.
No one notices.
No fucking clue who Zeihan is.
"Trust me bro, 80 year old whites leading a country of 20 year old Arabs will be a superpower any day now. Trust the AI" is hilarious. Pajeet-tier cope.
I agree with you cunt, the only way for Europe to stay relevant is together, but that doesn't mean that we have to be ultra liberal cucks at the same time. It's a shame that most right wing leaders are such crooks
"Trust me bro, 80 year old whites leading a country of 20 year old Arabs will be a superpower any day now."
This is quite literally the current US congress but replace arabs with spicnigger mutts.
Stop coping.
the only way for Europe to stay relevant is together
Together with whom? Ourselves or America?
?
It was full of retards who complained about Meloni. It just stopped a bit because She was elected and rules Italy.
Ourselves. We should band together with America when it's in our interest (it often is) but when it's not in our interest they should be told to fuck off
There will always be a superpower that minor countries must align with.
there's zero inherent reason for russia to be a superpower but not europe. A united europe is vastly more populous, more economically and technologically powerful. if we look back at ww2, germany and the soviets were slugging it out and I would say that it was fairly even, now imagine if it wasn't germany vs the soviets but europe vs the russian federation. russia is not china.
nevermind i barely read your post i'm sorry
The reason is
italian
government
Italy
there's your answer
The difference being the US is significantly wealthier, significantly more populous and its army significantly more developed.
Germany is poorer, less populated and the Bundeswehr is a joke that the AfD has no plans to fix, and all that on top of that population being on a fast-track to extinction.
I don't disagree with any of this. The EU could perfectly fill the void as a superpower in its own right. But that's not the AfD's stated goal. This is what makes them retarded Russian shills.
but when it's not in our interest they should be told to fuck off
And that's essentially the problem here. The person that you just agreed with above insists that they should never be told to fuck off and that you will die and go extinct if left on your own. America is the life-force of Europe. If you insult America you lose and Russia wins.
Oh and by the way no one is going to tell them to fuck off if you're betting on that through people like Macron or Ursula. They will absolutely annex Greenland and you will be told, again, that you either give Greenland to them or "they'll just let Russia devour you". While devouring you ironically. They will abuse and extract your weakness while forcing you to help them with theirs.
This is the problem that we're discussing here and it will never be brought to the mainstream discussion if it is reflexively shut down as paid putinbot propaganda.
The difference being the US is significantly wealthier, significantly more populous
significantly more populous
this is the power of youtube propaganda channels
youtube propaganda channels
The only YouTube channels I sub to are cooking channels, movie channels and shit like Modern History TV.
You're fighting some boogeyman that apparently exists rent-free in your own mind. Pathetic desu. You've given up even trying to argue. I accept your concession.
the normalization of the "far right" in Italy happened decades ago. there used to be a party called the Italian Social Movement (MSI), which had been founded by former fascist officials from the Italian Social Republic.
en.wikipedia.org
they accepted the rules of democracy and decided to compete in elections without beating up their opponents as they had done in the past; however it was kept out of coalitions due to its roots: the Christian Democrats would rather ally with the Socialists than with the neo-fascists. unlike the AfD, this was a proper neo-fascist party with actual fascists (Borghese, Graziani, etc.) that had been part of Mussolini's government.
in the 1990s the italian political system collapsed due to a massive corruption investigation.
en.wikipedia.org
the Christian Democrat party, the Socialist party and the Communist party suddenly dissolved. the MSI survived as it wasn't involved in the scandal, having been perpetually kept out of power.
it was back then that Silvio Berlusconi, an unorthodox business tycoon who was very hostile to communists and socialists, created a new moderate centre-right party, ran for prime minister and suddenly won. to form a majority that excluded all leftist forces he needed the votes of the MSI, which saw this as an once in a lifetime opportunity and decided to denounce fascism and be reborn as a party called "National Alliance". eventually that party renamed itself "Fratelli d'Italia" (Brothers of Italy, the first three words in the national anthem) and was brought from 4% in the national polls to the current 25 - 30% by the current leader
tl;dr
to bring the AfD into power you need a CDU leader who hates socialists more than he hates right-wingers
Russia was always an enemy of Europe.
I am not "fighting a boogeyman", every single person like you links to the same youtube videos with botted millions of views that specifically circle around demographics and the bullshit that you're talking about here. The same pattern like the "China is collapsing in two weeks" spam, but done against Europe. I've had this discussion like a hundred times. I know where you're getting your arguments from, whether you've actually read Zeihan's books or watched one of the downstream videos or reddit posts.
To answer your question, the population of this continent outnumbers America two to one. That of the EU isolated by +30%.
When was the last time Italy was relevant?
Sure, they had a decent run back when Ceasar was still a thing or during the Renaissance. Other than that? Nothing.
Plenty of politicians across the EU really are literal shills—they are directly paid by the Russians. France's far-right was legally implicated for the money they illegally received from a Russian bank, and it's very easy to find far-right politicians from Eastern Europe in particular being given lavish personal gifts from Moscow (multi-million dollar yachts and the like). Even political moderates can wind up having post-retirement do-nothing-jobs raking in countless millions as executives for Russian oil companies if they pursued sufficiently pro-Russian foreign and economic policy during their time in power, see e.g. Schroder.
No fucking clue who you're talking about. Genuinely take a break from being online champ, not all the world exists in whatever tiny little terminally online pond you've found yourself stuck in.
the population of this continent outnumbers America two to one
Okay. So why does the AfD, in its policy statement, explicitly call for an end to the European Union and any moves at further integration? They have no replacement for it. They want the entire continent divided so it can be more easily split - the West will naturally gravitate to the US and the ziggers to Russia, exactly as happened in 1945-48, and they plan to take all of Germany this time east instead of just the shithole GDR states they get their support from.
Germany is a giga cucked state. You literally get arrested for doing the roman salute or saying Heil Hitler.
But even so, you're wrong. When Meloni was elected I remember seeing article after article dedicated to fearmongering about a fascist take over. The purpose was very clear: to spread fear and force the government to resign after scaring the markets into a sell-off.
Also, the SS were way more brutal than italian forces which is why peole freak out about the AfD. They think they're going to reopen death camps and Holocaust the hecking muslims or some nonsense like that.
thats true, but sadly theyre still the only ones opposing population replacement, or at least claim to
Everyone freaked out when she was first elected too though
youtu.be
We even had Von Der Leyen threatening us saying they had "tools" if things went in the wrong direction
That being said Meloni has gone completely against most of her electoral promises - immigration is the highest it's been in 15 years
I think that part of the reason people don’t freak out about Meloni is that Italy has always been an ungovernable mess—the average tenure of an Italian government is a year or less, and whether they’re ostensibly rightist, ostensibly leftist, or just corrupt, purely self-serving raunchy grandpa Berlusconi, no Italian government in literally anyone’s living memory has ever delivered on its campaign promise rhetoric.
Germany has been more stable and more internationally significant ever since the Allies and the Soviets first destroyed and then rebuilt it, and perceived shifts away from its well-established traditions of centrist collaboration are more disturbing.
I'm not terminally online, I'm just older than you and grew up with it and have seen it all.
And the AfD call for restructuring of the EU, not dismantling. They also have an EU party that is headed by a Bulgarian and none of them want to dismantle the EU, they just want more influence in it. The problem is that people like you, who unfortunately are actually Europeans unlike you, have been convinced that the purpose of the EU is the maintenance of the full "euroatlantic" alignment to America and that any dissent against that needs to be crushed and outlawed ASAP. This leads to people like me and the AfD who aren't pro-Russia and are rather just pro-Europe, to see the EU as a hostile tumor that needs to be replaced by something superior. It's not about destroying the union and balkanizing Europe forever, it's about reforming it under a superior ruleset, or just replacing it with something better.
Meloni is completely harmless.
She doesn't quit the Eurozone or question ECB policies, doesn't pander to Russia, doesn't genuinely try to stop population replacement.
What's even far right-wing about her?
Typical right wing populist. They dont' folllow through on anything.
The nazos loved the hecking based muslimerinos
it's not really her fault
judges have blocked all and every single one of her initiatives
activist woke cancer judges rule western Europe.
The human rights charter was the biggest mistake in human history. It is based on this and solely this charter that judges all over Europe have cockblocked any initiative to send back migrants, to take away their gibs etc.
it's very blackpilling when you start looking into it
the AfD wouldn't be able to do any of these things either unless it managed to gain power on its own. but, realistically, it would have to rely on support from the moderates who are pro-EU
The entire premise of the flavour of European continentalism you're talking about is ridiculous on its head: there has never been a continental Europe operating as a single global bloc. Historically in the lifetimes of our ancestors European countries were great powers in their own right, and now that they are over the hill they have banded together like a retirement home bingo club. This form of "continentalism" which is the only kind which has ever existed IS specifically intended to counteract Atlanticism, and so half of its function is indeed anti-American (or rather "non-American"), but it still occurs inside the present liberal internationalist context, and so that other half is still implaccably liberal-democratic and anti-Russian. Various rightist elements do aspire to create from this new idea of European continentalism a continental EU that is less ideologically liberal, but those elements would have all the more reason to oppose Russia and to seek a Ukraine integrated into Europe and the West than would their more socially progressive counterparts. Would an EU member state Ukraine be very likely to vote for mandatory pan-EU resettlement of African refugees, or for a continent wide inclusion of males in women's sports, or any other Western European hip social cause? The people inside the EU trying to make it into the White Europa Paradise Land have even more reason than the Atlanticists to work against the one quarter Muslim and one quarter Jewish Russian empire, an empire that is literally as an economic and political warfare measure directly sending migrants to their borders.
Her initiatives be like:
spend taxpayers' money to send 10 immigrants on vacation in Albania
Why is this
Brava gente myth, which isn't entirely a myth, Mussolini didn't have this incel hatred in him like Hitler. Also Italy already had Berlusconi 20 years ago, Meloni is tame and seems actually kind of competent compared to people like him or trump
This is completely false from the first sentence - the Axis was exactly that. It wasn't a de jure political union but de facto the German law practically applied to all of the Axis members. You don't need to have a political union with its own flag and hymn and a "constitution" to glue up the continent. You can also do it through a military alliance where Germany holds the domineering monopoly of power. And by the way that was significantly superior to the EU and what Germany managed to achieve in its short span is like a delusional fantasy if imposed onto the current world order.
But nevertheless I am not proposing Germany invading everything nor is anyone else. Simply give the far-right the fair political representation and we will handle it on our own. No one has to be invaded anymore. There is a political structure in place that should only be steered slightly in the right direction.
As for the entire rest of your post about refugees and Dugin, are you trying to preach to the choir here? And to play along, no, Hitler willingly traded off half of Poland for the Molotov-Ribbentrop. To say that Ukraine would be the ultimate red line for a continentalist ideology is retarded. Their resources are vital, but no one actually cares about the fake nationality, to put it bluntly. There are other ways of acquiring their resources and I would argue that the ME ones are much more vital. But I absolutely agree about Duginism and that something needs to be done about the cult of the Soviet Union that is trying to weave European hatred into its core ideology.
I thought russian shills were the environmentalists ?
meloni is right wing but shes nothing like those nazi freaks at afd
Ah yes the lesbian transracial nazis
They would prefer the EU broken up and the continent divided into spheres of influence
This is bad because? I don't want my taxes to go to eastern Europe.
And the AfD call for restructuring of the EU, not dismantling.
Leaving the EU is literally the reason the AfD was founded. That's the "alternative for Germany".
Initially. It then became a single issue anti immigration party gradually
They're a G7 economy. It's the only large economy in the mediterranian
somebody cooked
France is there
European far right is center left at most on the American spectrum.
Shut the fuck up. Malingshit
i want to suckle on her melons as she calls me a good boy
this guy gets it
Governing Italy is not impossible; it is pointless.
dude italians come here and work and speak english and dont know dutch.
no one fears them.
no one admires them.
they are irrelevant.
she might be far right but her appearance is very semitic
no they're not lol
AfD is literally lolbertarian cringe shit plus they worship Israel
and dont know dutch.
based
Who wants to learn such a meme language?
yeah we should be loud like you right?
Your fault for accepting rats in the first place
posting a 103 year old ((copyrighted)) image
ngmi
this sound is too spicy for my ears
uaipipo can't handle spaisi language
comical innit
and speak english
doubt
Asians have this theory where the more white you have in your eyes the more batshit crazy and cruel you are.
I like italians
i will do the same in the future
Italy was an economic powerhouse till the 90s though. Second only to West Germany. Made the best typewriters/machine tools in Europe.