German states

Anyways, the sub-identities of Brandenburg, Pommeranian, East & West Prussian were more pronounced.

So only people in red would call themselves Prussians back then?

What about the descendants of Prussians who were expelled from Eastern Europe? Do they have any cultural presence in modern Germany?

Do they have any cultural presence in modern Germany?

They had until the 1970s but when the oldest generation of expellees passed away, their children didn't already carry this heritage anymore, other than maybe some distant understanding of their family history and that they "came from the east", but it plays no role in their life. They also don't speak the Prussian accent anymore but the dialect of whatever land they were raised in.

So only people in red would call themselves Prussians back then?

All subjects of the Kingdom of Prussia were called prussians but regarding self-designation it becomes less clear. Brandenburger often call themselves Märker (after the fact that Brandenburg was a March - a border duchy).

What about the descendants of Prussians who were expelled from Eastern Europe?

There are some associations for the displaced Germans but they don't have a large cultural impact.

The West-German states were allied occupation zones after WW2. That's why Westfalia and the northern Rhineland are grouped together, or Schleswig and Holstein. That's also why Hamburg and Bremen don't belong to the surrounding state - Americans wanted those ports, while surrounding Lower Saxony and Schleswig-Holstein were occupied by the Brits.

Hamburg belonged to the British Occupation Zone.

Do Germans identify with their lands or the sense of cultural identity goes along different lines than administrative divisions? Do land borders usually follow dialectal boundaries, for example?

Hard to say for others, but I live in Northrhine-Westfalia, and I identify as a Wesfalian, not as a Rhinelander. They are Catholic like we, but a different kind of people with slightly different customs and they talk a bit differently.

why are you stuck in the same land with each other then? why they didn't separate you?

Ask the Brits, they did this. We were separate until 1945.

my impression is that other germans don't like bavaria because they're rich and have cool stuff like the clothing and yodeling that the zoomers don't like because they're less cool

There are still many sub-identities. For the state of Lower Saxony there are the Emsländer and Hannoverians, that I know of. In Bavaria you also have Swabians and Franconians.

Do land borders usually follow dialectal boundaries,

There were many transfers and mergers of territories that the Allied Powers undertook in Germany. Most motivated by consolidating the remnants of the economy into something that could perform the duties of providing for the respective occupation zones.
I'm from NWR as well; born in the Bergisches Land and depending on who I'm talking to, I'm either from Berg or a Rhinelander.
Economy baby.

They didn't used to be rich, they were pisspoor farmers until the 1950s, when they were helped by the other West German states to build up some industry. They never thanked us for it but instead they try to tell us how to run the country. For some reason their party that exists nowhere outside of Bavaria always gets the traffic and transport ministery. And they always want to introduce a toll on German Autobahnen. Because they think other states only have two of them, like they do. Well fuck them, my city alone has 6 Autobahn routes, and I use the Autobahn to get to the other parts of my city. Bavarians want to charge me for that?!? Fuck them!

Why isn't Swabia it's own state?

In an effort to curb seperatism, they lumped in many ragions with each other.
The same goes for Franconia

i'm all for giving money to sovlful rural types though. maybe it's bitterness because other people wouldn't yodel as much. :(

It depends honestly on the history of the region. For instance in Saxony everyone sees himself as Saxon, ( expect for Sorbians, but that's another story ) because the state follows mostly the boarders it had since centuries. Dialect wise it's still diverse tho. A Leipziger will have another dialect as a East Saxon or a Erzgebirger or a Dresdner.

To hell with Swabia, why isn't Frankonia it's own state? I know the technical answer, because it was mostly church lands and after secularization they were annexed into Bavaria yada yada but lots of time has passed since then, it's time to make Frankonia a state. They make my favorite beer.

prussian pride

One of the brownest thing one can say. What's there to be proud about? Muh military muh little dark age edits?
War is for faggots and retards and everyone who glorifies it should be sent into Darfur or some shit

Because they think other states only have two of them, like they do.

Why does Bavaria have so poorly developed roads while it's so rich?

For instance in Saxony everyone sees himself as Saxon

afaik you have 3 Saxonies so which one are you talking about?

Economy baby.

yeah but it's been quite a lot of time since occupation was ended, you could already do land border rearrangement I think

I still can't get over Prussia, bros. God damn it.

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Don't forget that the Electorate of Bavaria sided with Napoleon during his invasion and thus got Franconia, the Imperial Cities of Nürnberg and Regensburg and much more as a reward for their betrayal. And sadly those gains were largely confirmed by the Congress of Vienna.

What's there to be proud about?

Effective governance that rebuilt the entire country after the 30 Years War, religious tolerance, economic stimulations, etc. Prussia has a longer history than the times of the NSDAP. Fun fact: the Free State of Prussia was a massive obstacle for the rise of Hitler and first had to be neutralized in an coup d'état in 1932.

you could already do land border rearrangement I think

For what reason? It just works and the respective cultural identities within the larger federal states are all being promoted.

It just works and the respective cultural identities within the larger federal states are all being promoted.

ok, so now I feel relieved because for a moment I was concerned about the possible fate of respective German cultural identities which must be protected AT ALL COST for the sake of EVROPA

The Saxony that people usually call just Saxony aka Higher Saxony

what stereotypes are associated with
1. Real Saxony
2. Saxony-Anhalt
3. Lower Saxony?

Bavaria has a large area but few people live there. They have almost no Autobahn because - what for? They're mainly for international freight traffic and for the tourists.

Saarland

They also have the cities Saarburg, Saarbrucken and Saarlouis, as well as the Saar river.

It's not pronounced the way you think it is. It never is. People don't speak English here.

Lower Saxony is almost identical with the Stem Duchy of Saxony and thus the real Saxony.

Real Saxony

Oh man don't say that infront of that Lower Saxony guy here, He will shit and piss himself. Anyway the stereotypes are mostly true. Chuddy, big-mouthed, more direct, don't mince their words.

Saxon-Anhalt

Rather unremarkable. Kinda chill honestly, but I never had real contact to one.

Lower Saxony

Don't know either. I only know the ones in /deutsch/ and those are major faggots.

ok, what do you think about Lower Saxons then?

For a bit of background: I'm from the Bergisches Land/Rhineland.
Personally I had pleasant experiences with Lower Saxony. The north sea vacations when I was younger were always great. A few years ago I travelled through the Emsland due to university and while this region was sleepy, it has a really interesting agricultural and land reclamation history. The people didn't talk that much but the beer was cold and kept flowing.
Hannover, in my experience, was a generic big city without much personality. But I was only there for one and a half day, as I've waited on my train back.

Different lines, half the Länder are just random combinations of lands to make sure they're somewhat equally sized.

Do land borders usually follow dialectal boundaries, for example?

Some do, most dont

So? I could be pronouncing "danke" with a stressed 'e' and you'd never know

It's less that they're rich and more that they're arrogant. Swabians are crypto swiss and even richer, but not hosted because they don't go around saying everything is better in swabia like bavarians do

Germans really are Aryans aren't they?

But I was only there for one and a half day, as I've waited on my train back.

Hm, you're yet another German who admitted to me not to have visited (for sightseeing purposes) one of the most important cities in Germany, I've also heard that many Germans have never been to Berlin in their life, the capital of their country. That feels really weird to me.
So the question - is it unpopular among Germans to visit cities for sightseeing? Do you prefer nature?

yeah but it's been quite a lot of time since occupation was ended, you could already do land border rearrangement I think

Not worth the trouble of rearranging the burocracy of half the country at this point.

I thought it was always about their dialect

Westphalia

West Fallen

vgh…

What's the difference between all of them?

some are dogshit (Berlin, NRW), others are not

Hannover is one of the most important cities of Germany?

Berlin

Been there once. It was allright.

That feels really weird to me.

Germany is just very decentralized.

is it unpopular among Germans to visit cities for sightseeing?

Depends on the city and of course your personal preferences I would say. I know people who went to Berlin to just experience the nightclubs.

Borussia is Latin for Prussia

I'm not glorifying anything, I'm just asking a reasonable question, Prussia was a great power and unified Germany, it would make sense if some people had a regional pride about it.

Slav posters need to chill, is talking about the subject of Prussia this traumatic to Poles and Russians?

Hannover is one of the most important cities of Germany

is talking about the subject of Prussia this traumatic to Poles and Russians?

a bit

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is more nazi than Thuringia? Didn't Die Linke get close to 60% of the mayoral vote in Rostock? And didn't the SPD win the state elections by a landslide in 2021?
I could be wrong, as I'm not from Germany, but the impression that I got from election maps and results was that Saxony was the most right-wing, followed by Thuringia

I think election outcomes in Mecklemburg might be a bit skewed by the boomers who live in tourist resorts on the seaside

Mayoral votes in the big cities say nothing about the rest of the country. In fact, they often have the opposite results. You of all people should know that. Just look at who voted for Biden in California (the cities) and who for Trump (rural California).

I based my acessment of the amounts of votes the NPD/Die Heimat Party got in 2013 - because there is a neat map for this. Don't know how it is currently.

The last pogrom that has happened here was in Rostock
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenhagen_riots

Primarily Roma from Romania,

interesting, we had anti-Roma pogroms in the 1990s too