Kaliningrad

there weren't any russians yet but Lithuanians think that if it was given to them, still Moscow would send Russians there same like it did to Estonia or Latvia

There wouldn't be any repatriation agreement with Russia in Kaliningrad thoughever.

...and there weren't any Russians in Kaliningrad either

It's a good thing that Sniečkus didn't accept it.

yes, being like Latvia would be still better than having a Russian military base with nukes right next to you, is it really that hard to understand?

doesn't matter you guys would have brough hundreds of russians to live there because you kicked the germans living there out and the land was a desolate wasteland

But the soviets are gone so why keep it

Because our government don't even return some Russian names back. Hell there is still the cities named after Dzerzhinsky the bloody satanist. There is a district in my city named after him too.
Do you think they care about Kaliningrad?

...and there weren't any Russians in Kaliningrad either

There were barely any Russians in Vilnius too until they suddenly made up nearly a third of its population during the USSR era.

okay, but why don't you guys ask the mayor or gubernator to change it
Belarus and the russian - latvian border is a bigger threat than kaliningrad.

It doesn't work like that here.

Do you have a small little loan of a million dollars to bribe the governor with lying around? That’s how it works in Russia.

and? even 1/3 of Kgd being Russian would be still preferable to it being 100% Russian now and also being one big military base

How does it work then?

You're changing topics now. I was simply explaining that pulling a Vilnius on Russians in Kaliningrad like we did with the Poles in Vilnius doesn't make any sense because the conditions would be completely different and would most likely not be possible to replicate.

The Moscow sends another governor. The Moscow looks at the square of Rosalia Zemlyachka and say "rename it". Then it gets renamed.

they did a Stalin here which got renamed back into Varna when he died

Lithuanians willingly decided not to get at least such important for Lithuanian culture and history towns like Tilsit where many famous Lithuanian poets and other figures were born, just for the sake of being "less Russian" even though it wasn't even clear if any Russians would be resettled to north-east-Prussia if it became part of Lithuanian SSR

why are they like this?

The Moscow

You're changing topics now.

no, im still explaining my point of view that you fucked up by refusing to annex Kaliningrad

because the conditions would be completely different and would most likely not be possible to replicate.

once again, the offer was made in 1944, when there weren't any Russians in Kaliningrad yet, you'd have gotten it as an empty city most likely

all you needed was to make your women breed a little more, 10 children instead of 8 per average in the late 40s/50s would be enough to repopulate East Prussia and now Lithuania would be a wholesome 6 million regional power with 1.5x bigger territory

Idk why I typed that. Probably my mind decided that it looked fitting in the context.

no, im still explaining my point of view that you fucked up by refusing to annex Kaliningrad

And I explained my point of view that "you'd manage to lithuanize it same like you did to Vilnius" is delusional.

Pissa river

Pissa means pee in Finnish :DDD Pee river :DDDDD

you'd manage to lithuanize it same like you did to Vilnius" is delusional.

why not? you managed to lithuanize Vilnius because you got it almost empty and same way you'd get an empty Kaliningrad too

even if Russia decided then to send some Russians there, like it did to Vilnius/Klaipeda, still it wouldn't be the majority of the city, at worst a sizeable minority, but still it would be better to have this city and region under Lithuanian control than when it is 100% Russian now and 100% under Russian military control

why not?

Poland and Lithuania made a repatriation agreement that permitted Poles to be relocated from Vilnius. What Russians would be "repatriated" if they were specifically being sent to "repopulate" towns and cities?

you got it almost empty and same way you'd get an empty Kaliningrad too

Vilnius only became majority Lithuanian in the 1980s. And even then it was a majority by a slim 0.5%.

What Russians would be "repatriated" if they were specifically being sent to "repopulate" towns and cities?

again, the offer was made in 1944, there weren't any Russians in Kaliningrad yet so what "repatriation" are you talking about?

there weren't any Russians in Kaliningrad yet so what

And there were barely any Russians in Vilnius too, yet they suddenly made up nearly a third of its population after 1945, despite the supposed Lithuanization attempts by Sniečkus and the local parties. And even after all of that, it only became majority Lithuanian in the 1980s, despite being considered to play a critical role in Lithuanian national identity. In what universe would more peripheral regions like Karaulaučius fare better in being Lithuanized if we struggled Lithuanizing Vilnius, the crown jewel of Lithuanian nationalists?

so what "repatriation" are you talking about?

I'm going to repeat this for one last time, if you can't comprehend it still, then it's your problem. No more (you)s from me.
Poland and Lithuania made an agreement, in which Poles residing in Lithuania would be repatriated back to Poland due to a labour shortage plaguing the country after the war. This agreement led to a very rapid crash in the Polish population in Vilnius and what allowed a sudden boom in Lithuanian workers moving to Vilnius. However, this was accompanied by Russians repopulating Vilnius as well because, surprise, Lithuania was still part of the USSR. In fact Russians even outnumbered Lithuanians in 1950s Vilnius.
There would be no such opportunity to "Lithuanize" regions like Karalaučius, because they would be repopulated heavily with Russians just like Vilnius was in spite of the so-called permission to "Lithuanize" it given from the top-down. And considering it essentially took nearly half a century to make Vilnius majority Lithuanian, saying you could just pull off the same thing with Karalaučius that would be seen as far less relevant to Lithuanian nationals like Sniečkus, yes, your proposal is delusional.

Królewiec

made up nearly a third of its population after 1945

once again, 1/3 < 100%

In what universe would more peripheral regions like Karaulaučius fare better in being Lithuanized if we struggled Lithuanizing Vilnius, the crown jewel of Lithuanian nationalists?

your village women would pump out more children if you had more free land to cultivate, that's how it worked until the 1980s.

also, no one said Karaliaucius would necessarily need to have 500k people like it has now, it could be 100-200k, but mostly Lithuanian

yes, your proposal is delusional.

and once again, even in the things took the worst turn, still having a majority-Russian Kaliningrad under Lithuania's control would be preferable to having a majority-Russian Kaliningrad under Russia's control.

Bigger threat comes from Belarus and Latvias border with Russia than kaliningrad. In the event of war poolish forces would quickly blitzkrieg kaliningrad and steal the nukes

so instead of simply taking the land that was being offered to you you refused and now your fate depends on Poland, yet you still defend this decision like your own life...weird!

personally i wish Kaliningrad was part of Lithuania because it would also benefit NE Poland that now kind of suffers due to closed borders and lack of any economic exchange

In the event of war poolish forces would quickly blitzkrieg kaliningrad and steal the nukes

There are 37 million poles and 1 million russians. Compared to 3 million lithuanians and 1 million russians. So pooland should have kaliningrad. You guys already own Danzig and other german lands.

You guys already own Danzig and other german lands.

...and you own Memel, your point?
we already have a lot of PruBian cities anyway, so Konigsberg should go to you

Compared to 3 million lithuanians and 1 million russians.

once again, we are talking about a situation in 1944, not now

You guys already own Danzig and other german lands.

german lands

Kill yourself, you're acting like a cuck. There is not a single german left there so they are NOT german.

1 german city vs poland which owns shit tons of german land

ok

once again, we are talking about a situation in 1944, not now

See Riga, Narva, Daugavpilis. It would end up the same. Besides we had a partizan war from 1945 to 1953 so many liths died or got deported to siberia
There is not a single baltic man left there

It would end up the same.

and? still would be better than what we have now

Poland/Germany should take it or it should be an independent demilitarized country. End of discussion

It wouldn't have been a Latvia scenario bro, it would have been a Ukraine one.
They would have only given Karalauči to Lithuania if they could keep some big ass military base there.

no, it should go to Lithuania because it would be based
that's not true at all lol, if they really needed a military base anywhere there, they would put it there whether Lithuanians liked it or not, even in the centre of Kaunas

it would be le hecking basedrino

That's not a valid argument, pumpkin

yes it is, i want a bigger Lithuania because maybe this way you'd be slightly less angry