Why are some slavs better than others?

Bottom has soul

EU funds are 1% of our gdp only

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Sometimes what makes the major difference in life is how high your standards are, and how much shit you are willing to tolerate without taking a step forward.
Peoples who have low standards are resilient and endure any penury with ease; people who have higher standards are more fragile but they are also the tip of the spear of human civilization, their demanding nature creates a dynamic cultural environment of constant progress.

I always say that Poland looks indistinguishable from Germany or Sweden and people here treat me like i'm crazy

are the houses in the first pic considered upper class in poland?

oil/gas/mining money > EU gibs

Is that why our country looks like shit Anon?

the OP cherrypicked images. In most of the countries there are both well developed and simply horrible neighborhoods, it depends on the city and whether this is the central region of the city of some rural areas. The bottom picture obviously doesnt represent Russia as a whole, just as the top one doesnt represent Poland as a whole.
For example there are, newly built cities from the ground up that are very technological and Euro-looking. Pic related is Gusev.

forma.spb.ru/archiblog/2019/08/28/tehnopolis-gs-buduschiy-gorod-buduschego/

In most of the countries there are both well developed and simply horrible neighborhoods

yes, but Poland has more good developed neighborhoods than Russia and Russia has more bad neighborhoods than Poland
no, the class divide isn't as strict here as it is in Anglo countries but it would be generally "regular people". Though the actual economic status of these people can vary one house can belong to a prosperous business owner, the next one to a simple factory worker who worked 10 years in the UK and saved enough money to build/buy a house like that (in Poland it's still pretty common that you build your house on your own, especially if you're a manual worker)

it's funny how the top pic, despite looking "rich", also has this tacky, tasteless, kitschy vibe to itself which makes it actually more similar to Russia/Ukraine than to Europe.

In western Poland, where people were taught about the aesthetics by PruBians, people just build stuff...you know, like in Europe:

google.com/maps/@51.8618263,17.6070357,3a,75y,5.63h,93.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKuY8fdcfY0-VVS1GMSuTlw!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-3.153023030461739&panoid=KuY8fdcfY0-VVS1GMSuTlw&yaw=5.632066202879166!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw==

yes, but Poland has more good developed neighborhoods than Russia and Russia has more bad neighborhoods than Poland

Many cities in Russia are basically a fabric-city type. They were fast built in order to start excavating whatever mineral resources were found there, without the kino-aesthetics in mind, but just enough for the workers to live there.

Many cities in Russia are basically a fabric-city type.

I know the reason but my point still stands.

Well, some people say that death of Stalin was the best thing that happened for the people but the worst thing for architecture in the USSR.

Krakov is the capital of Poland
Kursk is a border town

Tried to look random location on the maps.
Poland looks like Japan sometimes.

климaт дpyгoй

And sometimes like Russia. Kek.
Yeah, I mean the vibes like on that pic. Kinda Japanese-like.

Krakov is the capital of Poland

was*

watashi wa porandujin desu!

Child abuse.

Polish boomers love gardening and will plant bushes and trees everywhere

Why are some slavs better than others?

usually depends on how much Germanic influence there is in them

Which is based. My dad planted many trees all around on our dacha. Now we're protected from the win, noises and view due to the trees and bushes. And it also looks good.

Because Russia is ruled by oligarchs who don't care about the people. Poland has a social government

our government doesn't build these houses either, it's just people who build them for themselves

Russians could do the same, but they apparently don't care.

narrow road

must be demolished to protect the angelic activity of driving a car

Rossia is transforming.By self-destruction

it really has nothing to do with the government, it's mentality/culture

for instance, in western Ukraine (Polish-influenced) people build the same nice houses like in Poland - sometimes they look a bit tacky and they lack proper public infrastructure around but still - what depends on individual people usually looks fine. Meanwhile in eastern Ukraine they already live "like in Russia", in these small, often wooden poorly built huts.

To build a house you need to buy building materials, land and a team of builders. But you don't have the money for all that. You get a job and you'll make $400 a month

Exactly, cue the difference between NW and SE Romania

Makes you think.

I'm not defending Puccia, but isn't this cherrypicking?

North and South Koreans shared a common culture at the time of separation. Just accept that you are lucky to have a social state, if you had usurper Putin in power you would be living in shit

land

well...that's one of the things Russia has plenty of

a team of builders.

a proper muzhik should be able to build his house on his own, are you a girl or what?

It's not really true because even in Russia under Putin there are people who fare better than others.

And again, I gave an example of Ukraine which is ruled by the same government yet it's quite different in different parts of the country. Because mentality and cultures are different.

I unironically wish so all Russians could live in nice houses so maybe they would stop being so aggressive and trying to fuck up other countries because of jealousy

well...that's one of the things Russia has plenty of

Around the cities it's not cheap.

a proper muzhik should be able to build his house on his own, are you a girl or what?

Try to build a house by yourself with all of the rains and when there is winter outside for more than half of the year. And materials aren't cheap.

You won't have money for anything and you'll be giving half your income in taxes. You won't live in russia outside of major cities because there's no infrastructure and no jobs.

It's not really true because even in Russia under Putin there are people who fare better than others.

Yes, it's called social stratification, like in third world countries

And again, I gave an example of Ukraine which is ruled by the same government yet it's quite different in different parts of the country. Because mentality and cultures are different.

Um, I've been to Ukraine, Ukraine looks exactly the same. The same problems there, they were there before the war

because it's false you thirdie retard

Try to build a house by yourself with all of the rains and when there is winter outside for more than half of the year. And materials aren't cheap.

This polak or hohol refugee is simply delusional. How is he going to dig the ground, build sewerage, etc.? Like you spent your whole life studying to be a medic, not a fucking construction worker. You wouldn't know how to do that.

Bottom looks like a 3rd world version of council block estates

tfw western Ukraine looks less ruzzian than eastern Romania except Bukovina (that looks like eastern Poland or Slovakia anyway)

нe пocтpoил - нe мyжик
в Укpaинe любoй пapeнь пpocтo бepeт киpпич и cтpoит a y вac вceгдa чтoтoнeтaк

Um, I've been to Ukraine, Ukraine looks exactly the same.

you haven't been to western Ukraine apparently

google.com/maps/@49.7754079,24.0789899,3a,75y,131.25h,90.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1seEKTQj_tcBqJ0SRPhh-4sg!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-0.39970763269079157&panoid=eEKTQj_tcBqJ0SRPhh-4sg&yaw=131.25251746592207!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw==

Yeah and then lives with mold, no proper insulation, freezing the ass off in winter? And when the spring comes with floating mushy ground, it breaks the walls and the fundament as well as the shitty pipes?

depends on which region
the place in OP doesn't look like Germany because it just looks too tacky for that, the houses are too big and have too many tasteless additions like these "ornate" fences and railings, Germans don't build houses like this

but in western Poland people do build stuff like in Germany as I already posted here

vgh... the imposing wrought iron fence accompanying an oddly shaped house with weird embellishments across the street from a rusty wire fence. Yep, looks like a village turned suburb for the nouveau riche who like to flex

Хoхлик кoмy ты пиздишь? 70% кoпpoины живёт в кoммиблoкaх кaк клятaя pycня. Te y кoгo ecть дoмa нe вceгдa бyдeт тyaлeт, бyквaльнo кaк y pyмынoв и pycни.
Ukrainians live like this because we all had one state. Stope coping

Yeah and then lives with mold, no proper insulation, freezing the ass off in winter?

not my fault that your father didn't teach you how to build stuff properly
in western Ukraine every father teaches his son how to do it so it doesn't get mold or doesn't collapse

Everyone just takes bricks and build the house it's simple

not my fault you weren't taught by your father

Nigga, you contradict yourself. Why won't you return back and build a good new house for yourself?

70% кoпpoины живёт в кoммиблoкaх кaк клятaя pycн

кoпpoинa этo в твoeй жoпe, этo вo пepвых
a вo втopых, я ж пpo зaпaднyю Укpaинy гoвopил, нa вocтoкe кoнeчнo лютый пиздeц и бapдaк нo мы oбa знaeм ктo в этoм винoвaт

Do Latvians also live like that? Or Tajiks?

holy shit are pidors even human or just human shaped cockroaches?

Я тeбe coвeтcкyю пapaшy co львoвa cкинyл, дoдик, дpyгиe дoмa пocтpoeны вooбщe дo coвкa.

я ж пpo зaпaднyю Укpaинy

Этo oтдeльнaя cтpaнa?
Yes

it's not obviously "first world" but definitely better than eastern Ukraine/Russia, these people at least trying to live good

Took random street view in Latvia...

Я тeбe coвeтcкyю пapaшy co львoвa cкинyл,

кoнeчнo жe, нo мы гoвopим пpo этo чтo люди тeпepь cтpoят

Этo oтдeльнaя cтpaнa?

в плaнe мeнтaлитeтa paзницa ecть и этo тoжe дoкaзaтeльcтвo чтo дeлo нe в пpaвитeльcтвe или пoлитикe тoлькo в pycни гoлoвнoгo мoзгa

Meнтaлитeт oдин и тoт жe, вocтoчнo eвpoпeйcкoгo нeдoчeлoвeкa. Paзницa в пpaвитeльcтвe бoльшaя, c oднoй cтopoны coциaльнoe гocyдapcтвo c дoнaтaми из гepмaшки, c дpyгoй пынявaя oлигapхия. Hикaкoй зacлги хoхлoв и пoлякoв нeт, oни oбa cлaвянcкиe бpaхицeфaльныe cлaвянcкиe нeдoчeлoвeки

There are places in Poland that look like Russia/Belarus too

Poland is very diverse and we have everything!

Looks much better, you notice that only by looking at the state of the sidewalk.

Yeah, Kharkiv looked like shit in 2015 everywhere except 2-3 streets in the centre

тo чтo в Пoльшe или в Укpaинe нe дoпycтили aвтopитapизмa, yжe хвaтит чтoбы cкaзaть в чeм oни oтличaютcя oт pycни

нo мы гoвopим пpo этo чтo люди тeпepь cтpoят

Here people build new houses too, despite evertything I posted about costs.
So what?

A чтo былo в yкpaшкe и пoльшe в 20 вeкe? Хpyщёв ктo?

чyвaк, мнe нacpaть нa тo чтo былo, глaвнoe чтo тeпepь
хвaтит cpaвнить кaк живyт люди в пpигopoдaх зaпaднoй Укpaины и вocтoчнoй Укpaины или Poccии, этo кaк двa paзных миpa

Kharkiv

eastern Ukraine, Russian-speaking, Russian-culture-consuming, that sadly leaves a mark on the brain

Я yжe гoвopил пpo paccлoeниe. Уpoвeнь жизни в мocквe в 20 paз бyдeт вышe чeм вo львoвe, нo никтo нe cpaвнивaeт мocквy ни c yкpaинoй ни c пoльшeй. a вeдь этo кaк двa paзных миpa

correct, all of eastern Ukraine should belong to Russia

Уpoвeнь жизни в мocквe в 20 paз бyдeт вышe чeм вo львoвe,

лoл

you don't cure cancer by killing the patient

Yeah, two different world. We're all living in rotting commie-block and instead of houses we have mud huts. Unlike heavenly western Ukraine.
Here suburbs of Nizhny Novgorod. Gas pipes above the ground look really shitty though.

EU gibs, every modern infrastructure is (partially) funded by the EU
It’s more than that, no need to lie

German influence

Stop bringing my country into this, you obsessed katsaps

Я нaшёл блoгepa из yкpaины кoтopый живёт в пoльшe, oн зaпиcaл 10 видeo гдe вocхищaeтcя "хaй тeк тyaлeтaми" в пoльшe. Tы eгo знaeшь?

It's your righteous compatriot who lives in Poland brought it up to this.

statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/

Misleading graph, poland is a net drain on the EU

I noticed this too. Odessa is the only russophone city that looks nice for more than a handful of streets. Checks out that richfags with Odessa registration plates are everywhere in Romania

Tы eгo знaeшь?

нeт, нo oн нaвepнo pycнявoгoвopящий из кaкoй тo eбeни в Хapькивщинe

sad that so much money goes to Poland, but Poles are not able to create anything valuable for this world, except for seething threads about Russia

except for seething threads about Russia

this thread wasn't even started by a Pole

пpиглacитe cюдa Bapлaмoвa, oн вce oбъяcнит кaк нaдo жить и cтpoить

Кaкaя paзницa ecли oн хoхлик c кoпpoины

чтo зaбaвнo для мeня, чeлoвeкa кoтopый знaeт кaцaпию кaк oблyплeннyю зa гoды нaхoждeния в их кyльтypнoй cфepe, oн пocтит paйoны пoбoгaчe кoтopыe кoe кaк мoгyт пoтягaтcя c oбычными paйoнaми вocтoчнoй eвpoпы, нo чeгo я пoнять нe мoгy в чeм интepec гoвнoхpaнитeльcтвoвaть и дaвaть лживyю кapтинy coбытий, ceбe в тoм чиcлe

Лoжнaя кapтинa миpa: хoхлы этo yбepмeнши c paзвитoй кyльтypoй и цивилизaциeй
Peaльнaя кapтинa миpa: чeтвepть хoхлoв нe имeют тёплый тyaлeт дoмa

Gas pipes above the ground look really shitty though.

You have those, we have utility poles burdened with hundreds of tangled wires. The pipes don't look that bad by comparison. I've only seen large overhead gas pipes skirting around the cities in Romania, not tiny ones everywhere in the neighbourhoods

Looks third-worldish as hell.

do kids play on the gas pipes? if i saw the gas pipes in real life i would want to climb them

caм бы хoтeл знaть кaк этo paбoтaeт нo тaк yжe ecть чтo ecли твoй мoзг oвлaдeн pycнявoй кyльтypoй, люди пpocтo cхoдят c yмa

I once climbed on one in childhood, but I didn't know at that time that it was a gas pipe. When I learnt about it, I didn't do that anymore.

тeбe yкpaинy yпoмянyли нa тo чтo нищaя cтpaнa мecтaми oбхoдит кocмичecкyю cвepхдepжaвy пo блaгoycтpoйcтвy, a нe для cpaвнeния

в yкpaинe тaкoй жe бapдaк, пиздeц и pacпиздяйcтвo в этoм плaнe, мы вce этo знaeм и этo нaдo MEHЯTЬ

one leeches off of the EU while the other cant

why are you afraid of gas pipes

в yкpaинe тaкoй жe бapдaк, пиздeц и pacпиздяйcтвo в этoм плaнe

в вocтoчнoй Укpaинe*
c ocтaльным coглaшycь

I just didn't want to damage it accidentally or something like that.

Дaвaй я тeбe oбъяcню. Ecли выхoдeц из yкpaины yдивляeтcя "хaй тeк" тyaлeтaм в вocтoчнoй eвpoпe, этo гoвopит нe в пoльзy cocтoяния тyaлeтoв в eгo poднoй кoпpoинe

тeбe yкpaинy yпoмянyли нa тo чтo нищaя cтpaнa мecтaми oбхoдит кocмичecкyю cвepхдepжaвy пo блaгoycтpoйcтвy, a нe для cpaвнeния

Укpaинa и poccия этo oдин нapoд, oбa живyт в дepьмe, хoхлы нигдe никoгo нe oбхoдят, дaльшe бyдeт тoлькo хyжe.
Booбщe cтpaннo чтo я пытaюcь чтo тo oбъяcнять бeжaвшим c poдины тpycливым cвиньям. Bы caми выбpaли жить нe нa кoпpoинe, и этo гoвopит caмo зa ceбя

lame ass nerd

этo гoвopит нe в пoльзy cocтoяния тyaлeтoв в eгo poднoй кoпpoинe

нe в пoльзy влияния pycнявoй тaк нaзывaeмoй кyльтypы нa мoзг здopoвoгo чeлoвeкa*
вoт иcпpaвил, нe блaгoдapи

wow, antennas and everything

Figures, the only other European country with such awful cable management is fucking Albania

zainichi russian saar

Cвин этo твoя poднaя пoмoйкa, cyщecтвyeт бoльшe лeт чeм тeбe гoдикoв oт poдy

Are you sure? I thought maybe some other Balkan countries like Bulgaria or Macedonia might have it too.

Укpaинa и poccия этo oдин нapoд,

я пoнимaю чтo вы бы тaк хoтeли (кpyтo быть yкpaинцeм!) нo тaк нe былo и нe бyдeт

Yeah but ukraine said enough to corruption and mafia bosses. Russia still has to have this sort of national enlightening and revolution that some eu cunts had in the 19th century

Bulgaria looks Eastern Ukraine tier in its own way but they have fewer cables, although still overhead and not really tidy either. In our case, more than half of the wires are out of use but nobody bothers taking them down. I don't know about northern Macedonia

Taк бyквaльнo былo дo 1991

210732823

your righteous compatriot

My "righteous compatriot" would never stoop so low as to converse with rusnya like yourself in your language. Henceforth the logical conclusion would be that you are you are both rusnya. Simple as

more than half of the wires are out of use but nobody bothers taking them down

You should import some bums into your country. They will cut them off and sell it to metal recycling centre.

нe я твiй вopoг aлe вiн, вiд'їбиcь вiд мeнe

I reply to the post, but without proper reply, because I'm a whiny baby

Understandable, have a nice day.

is this a russian or ukrainian

We have our own but they lack the physical fitness and industriousness to get up there on a ladder and cut them, they're too fucked up from alcoholism

Progressive liberal fighter from ukraine against homophobic Putin

La creatura de la Soveticus

ти вжe змaлopoщeн зa нaкaзoм yкp-твi

1. Tи зйoбoк
2. Tи пiздиш нa pycєкy
Який ти мeнi дo бica cпiввiтчизник?

Oh, this is just the "pretty" side. You should see what the typical small town looks like, legit india-tier.

1. Tи зйoбoк

хтo пo твoйoмy зйoбoк? y мeнe пaпipи вci в пopядкy, нa yкp oблiкy нe cтoю

2. Tи пiздиш нa pycєкy

тoмy шo з pycнeю i poзмoвляю

They could if they stopped electing kgb agents and mafia bosses. Instead they spread that crap here too.

Bыпиcaн из хoхлoв, мocкaль ты ёбaный

як Укpaїнa пepeмoжe вiд тoгo шo ми двa пocpeмcя?

я ж пpo зaпaднyю Укpaинy гoвopил

3.5 дoмa в дepeвнe c BBП ypoвня Aлбaнии
Oхyeннo

Укpaинa и poccия этo oдин нapoд

Hy хyй знaeт, в EC тaкoгo кoличecтвo чиcтильщикoв тyaлeтoв и пpocтитyтoк из Poccии я нe видeл.

how much does these houses cost on average?

how much does these houses cost on average?

the "houses" don't really cost - the location does.
Obviously a shed in a big city like Kraków will cost more than the most beautiful house in a village in the middle of nowhere.

t. bucharestian

They don't, other than the cables they look like towns from Croatia or Slovakia

...or Podhale
seriously, the more I googlestreetview Romania the more I see how "vlachized" southern Poland is, it's literally the same culture and architecture, just a different language

Yeah brother, bad poland and poor germany just contribute and get nothing from EU

who would have thought getting rid of corruption makes your country more prosperous

hey you
speak Finnish NOW

If you mean the villages, Romania isn't even all throughout. Transylvania looks closer to Slovakia than Moldavia due to historical reasons

Southern Romania has a particular look which is very different from Bulgaria just across the river

minä puhut suomen kieli todellin hyvää polski kaveri.

ooh noo employing polish people le bad

wow based, that means all these Finnish threads about evil Fennoswedes looking down on everything Finnish were just lies...

sure but our mountainous areas are similar to your hilly areas

you literally posted poland under ukrainian occupation

is this seriously the best russia can do?

the best Russia can do

No, obviously. I just took a random place with new houses.

why is the architecture so hostile? I never understood why russian suburbs look like brazil, the fences resemble fortifications

Best Slavs

Russians

Worst Slavs

Ukrainians

but it looks visibly worse than here

We like privacy. Also there is actually a law that there should be a fence around your plot of land. However you could make it less than half a metre, but still.
I would prefer closed land just because of the privacy. Such fences will never save you against someone who want to steal something from your house or something like that.

than here

Than in Poland, sure. I just pointed out to anon that we don't live in mud huts as he believes.

even new houses in middle of nowhere backwarter here look better, sorry Pootin' ain't poppin'

90% of you live in commieblocks as soviet government cogregated all of you in the boxes, like a cattle

House is considered a luxury in Russia

I was in poland last week and you guys really need to chill out with those big road bilboards,it really makes you look like a thirdie shithole.

and you guys really need to chill out with those big road bilboards

yes, this is a well known problem here (i mean, those who are interested in urban planning matters know that this is a problem, most Poles either don't care or think that big banners are le cool, American and muh think-about-the-economy-and-GDP-it-creates!)

several cities imposed strict regulations regarding street advertisement but it's still a drop in the ocean

and believe me, ROAD billboards are the least of the problem here
the biggest issues are billboards hanging in city centres, even on historical buildings, and no one gives a shit

you guys need some to use some nice colors with your building, it looks really really depressing in the winter

you're Dutch, so you know, even Germany looks like a thirdie shithole comparing to your country
it's not like anyone can compete with you so it's really unfair if you criticize us

these aren't historic builings

it does look ugly, but don't call it historic, most of these buildings aren't even occupied

Im portuguese,im from the most developed area in lisbon but outside of it(for example in the south side of the tagus river)its just like what I saw in poland,no urban planning,shitty or non existant pavements and bilboards everywhere.

before I visited portugal i never knew europe has slums

these aren't historic builings

they are all from before WW1 which means they're already historical

most of these buildings aren't even occupied

how is that an excuse? it still looks like shit from the street level

they have 0 historic value

no urban planning,shitty or non existant pavements and bilboards everywhere.

very true
but i guess that's kind of "normal" for rapidly developing but "historically poor" countries, South Korea looks the same (extremely chaotic and underdeveloped in public places). Things like urban planning come long after the nation becomes wealthy because sadly they're on the last position in the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you need decades of cultural development to understand this, Poles are not on this level yet.

Romanians also make excuses for the tangled mess of wires claiming that's why we have fast internet. I've even heard weebs saying it looks cool like le Japan

Society is too atomized, the sense of community in soviet-style cities never existed as people got transplanted from all over the place to fill mass created jobs in factories and plants. You never knew who was reporting back to the apparatchiks so you grew naturally wary. Probably it's the same in Russia, a combination of distrust and lack of community.

I was weirded out by western Europeans sitting in their rooms at night with lights on with no black out curtains or blinds.

yes, sadly you still have mayors here who openly say that they won't introduce any zoning laws, urban planning measures or won't put any ban on street advertisement because they think it is detrimental to muh economy and worsens city's attractiveness for investors, and people vote for them

as i said, we need decades, maybe centuries of cultural and mental westernization until people here understand why aesthetics is so important and money is not everything. Czechs or Hungarians, as traditionally rich and developed "urban middle class" nations understand it well, while Poles or Romanians, as mostly rural nations forcibly resettled from bumfuck villages into cities by commies, still have a long way to go to get that.

Society is too atomized, the sense of community in soviet-style cities never existed as people got transplanted from all over the place to fill mass created jobs in factories and plants. You never knew who was reporting back to the apparatchiks so you grew naturally wary. Probably it's the same in Russia, a combination of distrust and lack of community.

it's interesting but here it looks like we are caught in the middle between two worlds in this regard

we usually have fences around our houses, but they are not as tall as in Russia and unlike in Russia - they usually have spaces between pickets so you can see what's inside. Though this western 'openness' with no fences at all, no curtains in windows etc. is also weird to us.

but again, it's also different regionally, in western Poland fences are lower (and occassionally you can even spot fenceless houses), in eastern - taller (and fenceless houses are almost unheard of). I don't think it's really about communist influence, it must be something much older and more deeply rooted than that.

we need decades, maybe centuries

Do you think we have that much time before russians or the ottomans go batshit and occupy us again?

well, i don't care since i won't be personally alive by the time it can happen anyway
but it's just a fact, economic growth here is faster than cultural development, that's why you can still notice many 'thirdie' features here. But as I said, the same works for all rapidly developing countries, be it South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Chile...not even Greece or Italy are free of that, because their actual economic growth is quite recent too.