New birth rate statistics dropped. Thoughts?

human extinction is... le BAD because it just is, ok??

Why aren't Brazilians breeding?

humanity doesn't need rape to survive, you're just chuds and would rather contemplate universal rape than talking to a woman for 2 minutes without sperging out.

THD

vgh... our birthrate is rising

How is Croatia doing this

facts. I've seen the birthrate discussion on normie sites and plebbit, and they all cope about living costs etc. Not one of them is brave enough to say that it's the fault of feminism

we can't
Western Europe will stop being majority European
it's not about talking to women, anyone can get a gf but none can have kids with her
women would rather have a bullshit career than an offspring

This in itself is incel cope. Nobody wants to raise a little faggot like the person reading this post when it costs a bunch of money to do so. Make it cheap and you will become the next Tajikistan.

Any country over 1.0 is a thirdie shithole

Taiwan and Thailand show that "laid-backness" is not a huge factor at least
Unlike Italy and Spain, these countries can't blame their feminist regimes

all of them should just accept the population decline, and that they'll be richer, and pensions are not an excuse, you have billions of dollars you could use for that
instead of importing niggers

Cope

Serbia had good start of year in first 3 months of 2024 so numbers are just returning to average

Go away monkey

Fearmoggering with heckin russian invasion

im not worried, i see more and more Polish women with black and brown guys outside so we can expect a baby boom soon

parents born in the 50s have 4 kids

brother born in the 70s has 3 kids

sister born in the 80s has 2 kids

me and my other sister born in the 90s have 0 kids

Well, the good thing about hitting rock bottom is that you can only go up from there.

there are two possibilities. start fucking again which would mean abandoning our current economics and cultural normies entirely.
or deporting like 5-7 million people. that's just for Germany. Europe wide it's either impossible since the country has already fallen: England, France or would require dozens of millions of people to be deported from Europe and a massive border security system to be erected that makes the Atlantikwall look like beaver's dam.

or deporting like 5-7 million people

how deporting the only people in Europe who still want to breed will help fix birth rates?

How can you have the BBC and only 1.53 birth rate growth...?
Do we have to keep welcoming immigrants?

because it's not about keeping the population high, it's about not becoming a minority in your own country. it's about keeping an intact ethnos for your nation.
Japan isn't doing too bad and they're comparable.
As long as wealth gets passed down again, young people can grow up and go to school safe again and young parents will see it as not futile to have children in the first place because of the state of society these birth rate problems will fix themselves in a generation or two. take the GDP decline because it's fake anyway, take the population decline and cut pensions because it's just not going to work and get a new generation of 3-4 children per adult going in the next 20-30 years. as long as migrants are not burdening down the social system and making the nation an objectively bad place to live, there will be troubled times but the People will be intact by the end of it.
the state was created to serve the people and currently it is not doing that. it is serving ideas. that is treason. no wonder we are all suffering.

It's rather: unless the government forcefully implements pre-1970s economy and buying power. Not a lot o people that commute & works for 12h to maybe repay their mortgage in 40y wants children

birth rate for a year that isnt even half over yet

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the majority of births happen in the later months, whoever made this is trying to push an agenda

it's about not becoming a minority in your own country

just assimilate the newcomers so you can hit two birds with one stone

and young parents will see it as not futile to have children

it won't help, they don't want to have them because it's just too tiresome and annoying to take care of babies, not because they're concerned about the state of the world/their country

We bodied the armenians again keeeeeek

All the government needs to do is ban contraceptive methods.

By the awesome technology of not using a condom and the people planning their kids finally making kids.

The BWC has proved to be useless.

just assimilate the newcomers so you can hit two birds with one stone

impossible

they don't want to have them because it's just too tiresome and annoying to take care of babies, not because they're concerned about the state of the world/their country

true
people who expect zoomer women to become white baby factories even if all immigrants were removed from europe right now are delusional
if you want to raise the fertility rate to 2+ now, no amount of policy or subsidies will do it, it will take something like 's proposal or property confiscation of childless people to make it happen

just assimilate the newcomers so you can hit two birds with one stone

You can do this by oppressing them, and we can't have that!

because almost no french people have kids, so even with blacks and nafris, the TFR can't get that high
Also, on second and third gen, most migrant have 2-3 kids max, enough to replace us but not enough to really tackle the population collapse

Do we have to keep welcoming immigrants?

if you want japan to be less japanese, why not. Though i suspect you would just have more mixed people and not a multi-cultural society like we have. People can assimilate in Japan, here it cannot work

Found the jeet
The world must learn this croatian technology

Nigga I have a gf and we'd like to have 3 kids at least, but housing costs in the cities where jobs are are like 2000€+ for a 4-bedroom Appartment, and daycare costs 1000€/month/child. You're lucky in this country it you can take home 3000€ after taxes. So either we both work and 0€ left at the end of the month after all expenses, or she stays at home and only I work, and we still have 0€ left at the end of the month.
As it stands, we can afford 1 child, maybe 2. Anymore and we'd go bankrupt with one bad year or one lost job

just assimilate the newcomers

that's what we did with the Italians, spaniards and even poles in the early-mid 20th century, that's why there's tons of native french who have italians or polish names, yet are 90% french.
These migrants did not care that their descendants become french, only their names remain.
The present newcomers absolutely abhor this idea for obvious historical and cultural reasons. They will assimilate.

we oppressed Italians, Poles and even Bretons way more before that, yet there's tons of fully assimilated french people with Italian, Polish and Breton names all over France.
Your correlation is false, the minim oppression they face isn't the cause of the lack of assimilation, it's historical conflicts and difference in culture
i honestly don't blame them, it's very logical and understandable

The best we can realistically hope for at this point is deporting all the immigrants, and then slowly fading into irrelevance, but at least it'd be peaceful and our own countries still. Like Japan i guess

Unironically men's fault. Inter-cultural birth rates reflect the man's background. Men in post-indistrial would rather stay home with porn and vidya than work and have sex.

deporting all the immigrants, and then slowly fading into irrelevance

Yeah of course, you guys can still be paradise on earth without immigrants. Who tf cares about global relevance anyway.

just assimilate the newcomers so you can hit two birds with one stone

That works here with other Europeans, but melaninated people will always be seen as outsiders.

truth is, assimilation is only possible if the immigrants at least more or less look like natives so they cannot be distinguished at first glance
but once the immigrant is a person about whom the native feels it is appropriate to ask "okay, but where are you REALLY from", then assimilation is most likely impossible
at least that's how it works in Europe where nations are based upon a certain ethnicity, doesn't apply to immigrant societies in the New World maybe

there aren't any inherent obstacles to assimilation with whatever culture, westies will blame Arabs/Turks for not being able to renounce their native culture but it's not true at all - Arabs and Turks assimilate perfectly in countries where they can just pass for natives - that's why there are thousands of people of Arab origin in Spain or Turkish origin in Greece and no one minds it, well, we have a whole island composed of assimilated, christianized Arabs who hate their muslim cousins' guts (Malta), because once they look like natives, cultural assimilation will surely follow

but when there is an "appearance barrier" between immigrants and natives then even in 6th generation they will retain their identity and they will never assimilate, nor will they be allowed to feel assimilated (because they will be constantly asked "where are you really from")

also funniest thing is how Europeans tend to think that Gypsies aren't able to assimilate, meanwhile most of people aren't even aware that the biggest community of people of Gypsy origin isn't in Romania, Hungary, Spain or any country traditionally associated with being a "gypsyland" but...Turkey. There are more of them there than in all of the Balkans combined. But why do we never hear about them? Because...they are assimilated. And why are they assimilated? Because they just look like Turks. So EVERYONE can be assimilated to whatever culture, just there must be "look match".

Yeah, it looks kinda comfy. Also it allows a come back like he described, maybe not as quickly, but it's still the same country and maybe one day things will turn around. If we let the immigrants stay now, sure a state called Germany might eventually come to prominence again, but if it's just a hodge podge of random people with no identity other than economic interests, that's not Germany anymore, and the thought of losing over 1000 years of history like that saddens me

White nationalists and race realists vindicated once more

Not enough BIPOC bulls in Europe

not sure about Italians but Poles surely weren't oppressed in France, they mostly came there either as political refugees or coal miners/factory workers, moving to France was a chance for them to improve their life

Thai girls move to Sweden and the Faroe islands to have sex with white boys.

If only more Germans think the way you do, hopefully this type of sentiment is increasing over there

Tajik tsiganes keep breeding, the only plus we kyrgyz chads can bride kidnap their daughters

So everyone is below replacement level except Muslim and Africans

we kyrgyz chads can bride kidnap their daughters

was it a traditional practice for Kyrgyz nomads to kidnap Tajik women?
btw, how do you even communiate with them? i thought Tajiks and Kyrgyz languages are completely unrelated, also the cultural difference must be huge as well, can Tajik women even cook in the way Kyrgyz men like it?

It's a problem because the young people who have babies can't bring them up.

Solution
Free sperm bank
Give mothers money when they have a baby
Single parent or no parents to raise the baby

Imagine a whole society raising babies.
This is the only way.

Nigga I literally know multiple people who can't afford to move out of their parents houses, and this is basically common for everyone under 35 at this point. It is 100% the cost of living. White people aren't thirdies who're content to fuck their wife in the same room as their parents and bathe in turd filled rivers no matter how much twitter boomers cry about birthrates.

It is 100% the cost of living

lmao
i am solid middle class in my cunt, i have my own big apartment, a decent job, car, savings, stocks etc. etc. and still don't have and don't want children solely because i don't need that shit

would be nice if it was sorted alphabetically

And I know middle class people who have about three kids. The birthrates however will always be low when 40% of the population can barely afford anything.

Single mothers should be shamed and we have to bring back arranged marriages

truth is, assimilation is only possible if the immigrants at least more or less look like natives so they cannot be distinguished at first glance

idk, my gf is 1/4th algerian and no one asks her where she's really from, she looks like the average frenchoid with darker traits.
I'd say the "appaerance barrier is only an issue at first or second generation
the appearance barrier is more of thing for blacks though, but paradoxally they mix more than nafris. They supposedly mix a lot with nafris actually, might be because they have less cultural barrier

Arabs and Turks assimilate perfectly in countries where they can just pass for natives -

for greeks and turks, i honestly dont know much about it
for people of Arab origin in Spain, people seem to really mind it. Look at Barcelona, the Moroccans are clearly not assimilating, the same pattern arises.

I'm not dismissing the "appearance barrier", but the cultural barrier is definitely a thing where i live, and can sometimes be the biggest obstacle to assimilation

picrel was in belgium but the same shit happened in France
it may have been less of a thing for poles

Truth is no one want more than 1 ONE kid. They rather not having one or having one. That all. TFR natural range is 0.75-1.0

is it weird im happy birth rate is lowering?

We treat kids like shit in this country, education is terrible, there is a ton of abuse, and half the kids dont recieve enough nutrition. I like to think that maybe if there were less kids we would treat them better.

Who cares?

It's more a racial issue, not cultural issue

why?Because you're afraid you won't be able to be someone's dad?

You complain about women who don't give birth, but you can't tolerate single mothers.

This is ego.

And people like me want to have 3+ children. It balances out, always has. One tends to forget that 2 TFR doesn't have to mean that everyone has to have 2 children, it can also mean that one couple has none, one has one, one has two, one had three, and one has four, that averages out to 2. But because for those latter ones, the money often isn't there, they can only afford 1 or 2 children, and the average rate decreases because

we kyrgyz, tajiks, uzbeks literally lived in one country until the soviets artificially divided us and drew borders.
I don't think you know much about our region, it's like asking you about lithuanians/belarusians, yes you live in different countries now, but you know that they have always been culturally and historically closer to you.

im confused, how come the fertility rate in uzbekistan has increased? it was at 2x a few years ago and now its at 3x

me and my other sister

tits or gtfo

want me to help your sister with her problem?

She's had her tubes tied. She can't have children anymore.

ESL?

idk, my gf is 1/4th algerian and no one asks her where she's really from, she looks like the average frenchoid with darker traits.

that's the point - she got bleached to the point so she became indistinguishable from an average French but that's only possible if you allow yourself to mix with natives while it's kind of a vicious circle - immigrants feel different and unaccepted, so they only mix within their own community which again leads to impossibility of assimilation in every new generation because they still look "foreign"

Look at Barcelona, the Moroccans are clearly not assimilating, the same pattern arises.

because it's nothern Spain in which there are already huge differences in look between Europeans and Arabs
but those Arabs who have been living in southern Spain since Al-Andalus and weren't expelled but adopted Christianity, are still there and are 100% Spanish by now

kinda true, i feel like having more than 1 kid is harmful because they need to divide inheritance between themselves and it usually leads to conflicts + i feel like it's simply unfair, because it's like deliberately making your children poorer than they could be
if you have 1 kid, he will inherit everything after you and will have as good life as you could only provide that to him
if you have 2+ kids, then each of them will be at least 2x poorer than he could possibly be if he was the only child in the family and that feels like...cheating

It means he is also a sister

you could live in one country but Tajiks and Kyrgyz people are extremely different culturally, linguistically and even in look, it cannot be compared to the relation between Poles and Belarussians lol

Sorry, the only tits I have are manboobs.

Why is there someone to have sex with, but your sister doesn't want any children at all???

Top right is reality. The rest are coping

why is this a bad thing though?

White fertility rate is actually stable in USA. The drops since 2015 are from blacks and hispanics.

People don't want to raise children while living in one bedroom apartments , drowning in student debt and losing 70% of their money to income and taxes

We'll eventually invent an artificial womb and governments will start baby farming and pumping them into a government back orphanage system

My money is on China being the first.

There really isn't much evidence its the fault of feminism, TFR declines are also present in very traditional places.

Its more economic, kids are an economic burden not an asset today.

Why lied?

You didn't disprove anything other than showing the USA has taken in large amounts of border hopers. Hispanic 2nd gen immigrants have nearly identical birth rates to white Americans

That’s population number not births

This isn't a refutation.

Hispanics and blacks had fertility rates higher than whites 10 years ago. Now, blacks have equal (perhaps lower by now) tfr to whites and Hispanics have only slightly higher. That is what the recent decline in TFR in USA comes from.

basically, there seems to be an attitude on the right that the current decline in fertility is from educated middle class women deciding not to have kids because of feminism or something

That was the cause of the decline in TFR decades ago, the recent decline is mostly attributable to less accidental births and working class deciding not to have kids. When the decline was educated women not having kids, nobody was talking about the fertility rate.

In 2024, the US birth rate saw a slight increase, with Hispanic and Asian women experiencing a rise in births. While births to Black, White, and American Indian/Alaska Native women declined. Specifically, births increased by 4% for Hispanic women and 5% for Asian women, while they decreased by 4% for Black women, 3% for American Indian/Alaska Native women, and less than 1% for White women. The overall US birth rate remains below the replacement level.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Hispanic: Births increased by 4%.

Asian: Births increased by 5%.

Black: Births declined by 4%.

White: Births declined by less than 1%.

American Indian/Alaska Native: Births declined by 3%.

theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/23/births-increase

You 4000km away from us, of course know (from googling) our culture, religion and history better than we do.
I will even say, they're are culturally closer to us than turks or tatars, and the fact that we call each other tsiganes and mongols in jokes is just a joke, as friends joke among themselves. We have recently solved all our problems on the border that the ruskis left us, and if we were culturally as far apart as you say, we could continue to fight each other rather than have a strategic agreement between our countries.
And im pretty sure that you are a stupid khohol or ruski who hides under a vpn who is trying to sow the seed of discord between our brotherly nations as they usually always do in our region, so im not going to reply you anymore.

This is a reddit cope. Not even millionaires have an above sustainable birthrate.

The problem is you guys spend too much time online and view at as a competition.

No one in real life cares about raising the birth rate of their nation or race. Middle class people aren't going to want kids if they can't afford houses or if they feel as though they can't provide a proper life for their children ( which is becoming increasingly expensive)

argentina

are they aware they aren't first worlders?

South Korea

kpop chads...i kneel...

You're looking at 2023 vs 2024, which is just going to be statistical noise, but even black fertility rate has declined more then than white.

I'm talking longer than that. Since 1990, white fertility has gone from 1.8 to 1.55, meanwhile black birthrates have gone from 2.5 to also 1.55. Hispanic birth rates have gone from being above 3 to being ~1.8, and native hispanic birthrates are pretty much in line with white and black.

Actually they do

The middle class wouldn't want kids even if they could all afford houses.
Home ownership in my country for example is over 90%, yet we're nowhere near replacement.

The middle class wouldn't want kids even if they could all afford homes

History has proven that wrong

It's interesting how failed this is. On one end you have people who can afford to have multiple kids than you have poor people who breed like rats when they shouldn't be

History proves that people have kids if they're raised in conservative environments where not forming a family or having kids turns you into a social pariah.
You think the average peasant in 1200's Europe had 7 kids on average for financial reasons, rather than cultural or religious?

In USA they actually do

Seems below replacement level unless you assume the highest estimate and still lower than the poorest.

This graph cuts of at 300k, if you go higher its above replacement.

Keep in mind that 300k is only upper middle class in high cost of living areas in USA.

And im pretty sure that you are a stupid khohol or ruski

штиpлиц никoгдa eщe нe был тaк близoк к пpoвaлy

shituania 1.0

pooland 1.3

oh wait it's 1.03 loool

lol its so fucking over im never getting a pension

pooland: 1.03

ftfy

it's good that you whites are all dying out, you are a very aggressive race that conquers everyone and tries to destroy humanity and our planet. Like now the rusniggers threaten to nuke all of us, other whites on the other side keep sending weapon to khokhols.

if your ancestors didn't leave Poland maybe this country could be saved, Polish haredimx were known for their high TFR

same, hope we have robot slaves by then, maybe they can be the ones that work.
unrelated but can you share some kyrgyztani music?
Isnt abortion banned in poland? how come its so low? where are all the accidental kids.

srsly how the fuck is poland that low? aren't you supposed to be booming and shit, lagging behind baltic cunts is crazy

probably not

snt abortion banned in poland

irrelevant when there are open borders within the EU and just 100m behind the Czech border there are posters in Polish inviting Polish women to use their abortion service

aren't you supposed to be booming and shit,

all booming nations have terrible birth rate
South Korea or Chile follow the same path - high GDP growth in a short period of time correlates with rapid TFR collapse

youtu.be/-BA8hwS1ti4?si=z75NduEATicst9OC

Why is Lithuania so low? Are they booming as well or something

bro, your ancestors ravaged and pillaged my country, raping and killing everything on their way like 3 times in 13th century

Reminder that low birth rates are a good thing. The world is fucking OVERPOPULATED and this is why life has been so grim lately
Low birth rates are only bad for the slave-owning elites and government parasites. The same ones who are responsible for the low-paying jobs and high cost of living
More people means more competition, which also means more people willing to accept even grimer living conditions

yeah, Lithuania is developing rapidly as well (so are all Baltic states), simply they're a small country so it's rarely discussed

This is awesome, thanks.
youtube.com/watch?v=6DL5LZDDDdc
i wonder whats gonna happen to chile if all the venezuelans leave in the hypothetically case where venezuela becomes a stable country again, literally hundreds of thousands leaving the workforce.

They were the ancestors of modern day kazakh/mongols, we generally lived in southern siberia as a settled people, from where we were also driven out by those mongols, so that we had to hide in the tien shan mountains, please do not generalize us with them if you do not know our history.

i wonder whats gonna happen to chile if all the venezuelans leave in the hypothetically case where venezuela becomes a stable country again, literally hundreds of thousands leaving the workforce.

hopefully Mapuches will make up for it, afaik they're the only ones who still can breed in the Southern Cone

The population increase in Hispanics is because of border hoppers not because maria is shitting out 5 kids

2nd gen migrants have similar fetility rates so nohing really happens

Crazy, less births than Poland and Netherlands despite being line 20 millions almost as much as Germany. Ossicles are dragging us down

post soviet crisis has disappeared
i think every ex soviet country has higher fertility rates now than 30 years ago, not necessarily above replacement but still higher

We're set to have 3x the population of Switzerland

no fucking way

Doesn't really matter if Turks have a "normal" FR, if Africans constantly swarm them by the millions by the numbers they will be overwhelmed

i think every ex soviet country has higher fertility rates now than 30 years ago, not necessarily above replacement but still higher

lol bullshit, its literally the other way round, all ex soviet countries except for Muslim ones have way lower birth rates than back then