How will your country deal with the incoming aging population problem?
You won't be able to vote it out either, since old people will be the majority of the population. They will vote to keep the pensions around to avoid working and there isn't much you can do about it.
Plan to face this in your country?
it's not a problem.
it's not like dying old people will start a rebellion.
I'm a doctor so seemingly I actually only benefit from that.
Neither incels will start a rebellion lol.
We are just gonna kill the old people.
Read the fucking post? Old people can vote and therefore influence your country. They'll vote for people who keep the pensions around at all costs and that will mean fucking over the few young ones left. Read. It's not that hard. When someone posts something, read it.
sounds like dumb boogie man to increase immigration.
not a problem.
Yes retard, boomers vote for immigration because if the line doesn't go up, they get less savings and pensions. Are you fucking stupid?
Are you mentally ill? Who talked about immigration? I'm talking about aging populations and what it will lead to in our countries. They won't just magically die out so they'll stick around for a long time and their numbers will increase. It's gonn abe a massive, MASSIVE financial burden, with even less workers than before to face a burden that surpasses what we've seen before. How does that even work?
Tank the economy at the first sign of a new cold
two more weeks etc etc.
How is an aging population and a decreased number of workers a boogieman? It's the natural results of having low birth rates. And unlike before, it won't benefit us, since it won't just be the young workers among themselves will all the old folks dead. They're going to live for a long time.
at that would be quick. instead theyll hang on however and cost society trillions
You'd let your parents/grandparents die early? Can someone post something that makes sense? Even if it's just a mere "well we're fucked". No, nobody is going to just kill boomers en masse.
So if the entire system is propped up on people always breeding at >2.1 TFR, why did they engineer the system around economically exctracting as much money as possible by isolating individuals as much as possible to broaden the consumer base?
Literally selling your future for short term profits
why do you think corona killed the old?
your jewish master mind is already at work no need to worry
Why would they rebel? They are the majority and things are going as planned for them. It's the young people who should rebel but they won't since they're either illiterate like you or don't want to kill their parents.
He might be sort of right because that "worker shortage" thing isn't an actual problem. Only less than 20% of workers work actual jobs, while the rest provides "services." Boomers just want the line to go up so they get even more wealth they can't even utilize.
Because they're selfish little fucks and don't give a shit about their children. They rent you your own apartments there in the West.
The answer is war. We need war to funnel money and resources so we can afford to maintain our lifestyle for everyone at the expense of the rest of the world.
Start taking notes from Switzerland and make euthanasia a legal, easy and painless option for those old enough to become a burder to society. I'd certainly want to kms before I get confined to a care facility and start to lose my mind from dementia.
because the system is designed by guys who dont care about that. just short term profits and the whores they can buy
Modern business is all about short term profit and praying for a miracle to sustain short term profit. Speculations based around short term profits are what works in this economy, nobody wants to invest in something that will double your money in 60 years. So your question sums up to "why are people greedy and impatient". Because that's life. But really, what's the point of discussing a model that cannot be changed anymore? A change of system could occur, but it can't occur when the change from 2.1 is too massive. You can't go from 2.1 to 1.1-1.0 expecting a nice smooth sailing. It's like changing gear in your car, you don't go from 5 to 1. If we were at 1.8-1.9 we'd be fine.
My secret guess is that there is technology we don't know about and that automation controlled by AI is actually a lot more advanced than what we see. If it's not that, we're just fucked. And it won't be the first time short term profits are chosen over the future of nations.
But you're not a rich boomer. I doubt any of those devils had ever used euthanasia, they're literally evil.
It virtually killed nobody.
Fake jobs, despite not providing value, are an integral part in the line going up, the same way manufactured desires are an integral part of line going up. If fake jobs dissapear, stock values go down, and lines go down.
I'm almost certain we'll eventually see more young folks use it than boomers. Boomers are doing fine financially and sitting on capital and cash, they're not in the red like younger generations.
Yes, exactly. It's a convention to please boomers and not a real factual necessity, I suppose that's exactly what he meant.
Money today is worth more than money in 30 years.
If the line goes down, the economy also goes down, and that will impact us drastically, and it will impact everyone, not just the boomers. I guess his point is more akin to something like "let it all collapse" but that's not even what will happen. It would just make the decline even more abrupt and painful and people will still attempt to keep the economy afloat. Total collapse is not something we'll see in our lifetimes, let alone a new beginning.
Shared pension systems require high birth rates. But you can't have high birth rates in a democratic society that allows women to be free and independent.
So there are essentially two solutions:
1. [Full liberalism]
Drop the shared pension system. Drop free healthcare. Let boomers pay for themselves.
2. [Full interventionism]
Force women out of the workplace and back into the home. Tax single women to hell. Make them legally and financially dependent on men, so that they're forced to marry and have kids.
Both solutions are completely out of the question in our modern democratic societies.
1. will never happen because old people are >40% of voters and will vote out any politician that threatens their privileges.
2. will never happen because our modern societies are based on egalitarianism and gender equality.
So there's no realistic way to solve he problem. Modern states can only postpone the collapse, by taking astronomic debts and cutting any social spending that isn't geared towards old people (neetbuxx: RSA, CPAS..., unemployment benefits, disability benefits, etc.).
COVID was supposed to solve this BTW.
If the boomer is rich he won't need tax money in his old age but can live off a generous private pension and his savings, improving the country's effectly dependency ratio.
I remember seeing schizo theories about how Covid and the vaxx would kill a ton of boomers and it was basically the world government's plan to face this issue. Kek. Their plan is accepting the shitshow and watching the boomers slowly kill us.
At first they'll completely get rid of all the social services that aren't there to fund boomers, then they'll eventually vote for leaders to import pajeet workers.
That's naive and not in line with reality. I know because I know a lot of rich boomers. They're actually the people who shill and go out of their way the most to get a pension, because usually, their pension is very consequent, and they chase it even if they're already rich.
Australia currently spends around 2.3 per cent of our GDP on the aged pension, but that figure is falling.
"It'll go down to around 2 per cent by 2060," says Ms Delahunty.
"It's bucking the trend internationally. Most OECD countries are [spending] 9 per cent and growing, and they will be above 10 per cent by 2060."
The only country spending a smaller portion of GDP on the age pension currently is South Korea (1.3 per cent) but by 2060, that's predicted to be 7.5 per cent.
Common Keatingchad win. You missed the boat.
en.wikipedia.org
In 1992, under the Keating Labor government, the compulsory employer contribution scheme became a part of a wider reform package addressing Australia's retirement income dilemma. It had been demonstrated that Australia, along with many other Western nations, would experience a major demographic shift in the coming as the population aged, and it was claimed that this would result in increased age pension payments that would place an unaffordable strain on the Australian economy.
then they'll eventually vote for leaders to import pajeet workers.
eventually
your fierce revolutionary spirit wont stave them off forever im afraid
You're right that nothing ever happens, but the point is, the whole "economy" thing is an unnatural homunculus created at the whim of boomers and serving them. 90% of people don't produce any good, not even indirectly. The "economy" is a way for the rich to take most of those produced goods to themselves.
They always want more. The actual pensions aren't even that big a problem, they own all the property and all the stocks so they ruin everything to make the line to go up.
People complain about shareholders and big companies ruining things to keep the line up
Minimal complaints about governments ruining things to keep the line up
Actually maybe I'm being unfair about "minimal" but to mind it’s much the same but people are a lot more vocal about companies
I think the Tesla robots and AI will fix this, as well as other new regulations and inventions. Everythings on good trajectory but there are offramps to hell along the way.
You're right, he's right, I get your points. I'm just beyond that because to me it's not something you can really influence anymore. It's shitty but simply identifying the issue doesn't magically solve it, it's a kind of cancer you can't get rid of without killing the patient (in this case, the patient is the entire world).
Expect a flood of first world migrants in the coming years.
The government are supposed to be under control of the public and if they aren't, something's wrong. Meanwhile the corporations aren't even supposed to be under anybody's control even on paper, so there's a big essential difference. You may trying out-voting retards from the office in theory, but it's absolutely impossible to do anything with the corporate genocidal maniacs unless the state uses its force.
in my country its the exact opposite
Governments work hand in hand with big corpos. When you attack one, you automatically also attack the other one. They didn't both indenpendantly fuck things up, it was all intertwined.
Immigration isn't a solution either. Immigrants themselves will get pensions so it's just postponing the problem. There's just no way to solve the issue.
When you attack one, you automatically also attack the other one.
not if you're attacking a part of one that helps keep the other in check
Is everyone beating around the bush or do people not realize that killing all boomers is piss easy
It's gonna be a solution to those boomers who will want to die comfortably and only have 15-20 years left. We're also the lucky ones, since we'll avoid 2100 and beyond. The ones being born right now are royally fucked.
You can't really influence anything.
I just stopped caring. I don't study, I just mill grind my diploma. I will flee first to the EU and now I think that then I will retire at around forty in a really poor country instead of grinding further.
You'd kill your parents and grandparents? I remember reading about nomadic tribes and how they dealt with their elderly. The elderly who knew they could no longer hunt and were only a burdain to the tribe would voluntarily stay behind and excluse themselves from the tribe to just die alone.
Worker shortage is a real thing here. We were nr.2 behind Syria in emigration at one point. Why would you work in a restaurant or at as car mechanic in Romania and get a shit salary when you can literally do the same thing in Italy or Germany and earn way more?
90% of food delivery app guys on bikes are Sri Lankans, Nepalese, Pakistanis or Africans. Same thing for fast food places (in the back, the cashiers and managers are locals) and I've heard factories and other businesses outside big cities instal some containers with beds outside and import workers.
Some employers are assholes because they must guarantee lodging so they cram 6-8 workers in a two room apartment with bunk beds and make them all pay rent. The apartment of course belongs to the employer so he gets some of his money back.
The employers also like this arrangement and keep saying that locals don't want to work. Locals don't want crappy salaries while the owner buys his 4th SUV.
Some investigative reporters did a news piece a few years ago.
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Interesting how and are the only posts ITT discussing the causes of low TFR, when it's literally the heart of the problem.
Pensions arent a big issue here + most of our older people died
If there boomer hunting squads id gladly particupate even if it mean eliminating my own
There were*
Honestly I'm not killing myself only to spite boomers and shitskins and normies.
It's not even all boomers who're the problem, it's the rich. It's just so happens all rich people are boomers. The point is, none of those jobs are actually needed. Just remove all possibilities to do all those bullshit welfare jobs and you'll see all the actual job spots filled and plenty of people still having nothing to do. It's welfare and scam at the same time.
It's not a problem, you can have the same quality of life with only 1/5 of the current population. And the TFR will never be zero, certain demographics always do breed, even in cities.
I was talking from a nation/society perspective. Immigration and debt might be a "solution" for boomers or even for us, but that would be fucking over the next generations.
It's the same thing here and you hear the same seething from bosses. 90% of those restaurants all the tourists get overly priced at always have a couple illegals they pay almost nothing but who were the only ones willing to do that for pennies.
Bolsonaro solved that with a social security reform.
Euthanasia for every old person who can't work anymore.
I know what you meant, I meant that it will happen anyways because soon enough, the major groups in our nations/societies will be the elderly. Either retired people or people who will retire soon and also want in.
Hopefully robotics and automation.
The billionaire boomers are actually all working and they want the line to go up. And watcha gon do nigger?
Expect a flood of first world migrants in the coming years.
We don't really accept (non-wealthy) retirees for exactly this reason.
You have to be at minimum a permanent resident (10+ years residence) to receive a government pension, and you wouldn't have a superannuation account to draw from.
Many such cases desu
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you can have the same quality of life with only 1/5 of the current population
Our entire social/welfare system relies on high TFR. And the more our population ages, the more our pension/healthcare spendings increase, and the more young workers we need to pay taxes.
Maintaining our current quality of life with low TFR would require either dropping welfare altogether, or removing women's rights. Neither of which can happen in a democratic society.
We were talking about theory. Of course nothing ever happens and they will just be importing violent dumb shitskins.
entire social/welfare system
It doesn't matter. 80% of workers literally don't contribute anything to producing goods. Nothing will be actually lost if these people disappear. Their jobs exists only because the rich wants to manipulate resources instead of actually producing things.
We have already had this all in the USSR, central planning can with based on neural networks, that was the actual plan before boomers fucked us all over.
can with based
can work based
The USSR made the first computer for that fucking purpose, there were already the actual plans ready. We would be on Mars now if not for fucking kike libshit boomers. God I hate them so much.
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So the solution is to kill everyone above 60 years old and to remove women from the workforce?
The solution is demolishing all bullshit jobs (80% of all jobs) and putting all those people to actual work.
There's a missing option:
3d) increase immigration, but ONLY accept very high quality applicants. 25-35yo, highly skilled, highly paid, similar culture, good command of English. Lots of bonus points if you have a spouse and kids. Do everything you can to make your country a very attractive place for these people, and a very unattractive place for others.
If your country needs temporary workers, they need to actually be TEMPORARY. You can come here to earn money but you can't stay. Here's a two-year visa to work in a care home, but after that you must leave and spend at least two years outside the country before being considered for another.
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The solution is demolishing all bullshit jobs
So removing women from the workforce
Not really. Women were working at factories all the way until the 20th century.
No offense but are you mentally limited? Your nations get replaced anyways in this scenario. And a nation that's 90% temp workers - 10% old boomers isn't really a nation anymore. It will just be them. It works but it turns countries into economic zones. And guess what? A lot of countries are doing/will do that. The US does, Switzerland and Singapore do, etc...
Liquidate the boomers.
Total boomer death
If our natives aren't having kids then we're gonna get replaced. But we have the power to choose who our replacements are. If we exercise that power, we can make the whole thing easier to accept.
What's your suggestion?
Keep thinking until you come up with something other than total replacement of natives. That's better than just saying "at least make the transition nice and comfy".
reddit cucks itt think voting does something and economics is some kind of science
Holy fucking lmao
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