Hey mutts. Do you?

It absolutely does. It's just not as pronounced as in the posh RP British English.

don't browse generals

Wtf. You asked that question in the exactly same wording as a German from there. Are you really robots?

Rahmen

Ratte

Same quality, only the length varies.

Lohn

Lokal

Aren't those both supposed to be the same though? It's the long O.

h elongates the vowels in both cases

Ah. The vowel is just unstressed in the last case. Phonemically it's still a long O even though it's short.

wait, is there a wordfilter (characterfilter?) to map /J/ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel) to /J/?
also, correction on my pronunciations of pajamas: should be /ɑ/ OR /æ/, not Anon Babble OR /æ/

cot and caught are both /kɑt/ to me, so probably "caht" and not "cawt"
all, fault, and crawl are usually /ɑ/, but sometimes it comes out as /ɔ/ or even /ɒ/

i've lived in austin my whole life. my mom's side of the family has been in (northeast) texas for 6 generations before me. my dad's side of the family is from the midwest, though his dad was in the military, which meant they moved around every few years, at one point even living in germany.

I don't quite agree. The o in Lokal is certainly not the same as that in Lohn. h has the additional function of altering the phoneme a bit. It's like an English w or the Polish dashed l, but much less pronounced.

all, fault, and crawl are usually /ɑ/, but sometimes it comes out as /ɔ/ or even /ɒ/

Do most people around you generally have it as /ɑ/ or as /ɔ/. In the vast majority of cases people with the merger still have that vowel before L as an /ɔ/.

I think /ɔ/ is more common among my family and neighbors, but /ɑ/ isn't exactly rare, especially when people speak more hastily or lazily. /ɔ/ seems to be preserved more among my relatives on my mom's side, especially the older ones (gen x or older).

The O is the same in Lohn and Tod yet the latter doesn't have an H. You're correct in that those vowels (in Lokal and Lohn) are different but it's not because of the H but because long vowels are shortened (while retaining their distinct quality) in unstressed syllables in words of foreign origin.

especially when people speak more hastily or lazily

Hmm really? I thought it would be the opposite. Thanks.

My nigga, you need to brush up your German pronunciation. No, the o's in Lohn and Tod aren't the same. Maybe to your Slav brain they are. No offense, I just know you guys struggle with vowel length distinction.

IPA(key): /toːt/

IPA(key): /loːn/

Wiktionary. Cope.

Washingtonian here (state)
What tf do people say in Michigan and Louisiana?

Americans genuinely, unironically, believe that "Mary", "merry", and "marry" are pronounced the same.

It's not a joke - you can ask them.

muh wikipedia

muh IPA

Imagine telling someone how they should pronounce things in their own mother tongue kek.

DIE POOLEN maden wikipedia usen der wrongenung transcribtsioonen

Sure thing Ahmed.
You pronounce caught and court the same though.

Tell me more about my language. What kind of schizo argues with native speakers about these things?

Not arguing about Turkish doealbeit, you can keep it all you wish.

You’re funny. In a lolcow kind of way. Please continue.

You pronounce caught and court the same though.

I begrudgingly accept this counterpoint.

Isn't cow a sacred animal for you Turks?

Also poor and poo. Sometimes even tire, tower, and tar.

good thread derailed by shitflinging

Also poor and poo. Sometimes even tire, tower, and tar.

Now you're losing me.

You could tell about your region's pronunciation instead of whining or whatever.

i'm the austin guy who was doing that before the shitflinging broke out. here's a map i guess

Nigger, I fucking told you that h gives the vowels a w-like phoneme not found in words without the h. It's standard Hochdeutsch pronunciation too. It's hard to explain but if you had given it a single listen instead of acting like a smartass for no reason, you would have immediately agreed. Instead your 'retort' was a fucking wikipedia citation. Really?

Kuh-nicht

No one is pronoucing poor and poo the same, wtf

Zenci, sana h'nin sesli harflere h'siz kelimelerde bulunmayan w benzeri bir fonem verdiğini söylemiştim. Bu aynı zamanda standart Hochdeutsch telaffuzudur. Açıklaması zor ama hiçbir sebep yokken ukala gibi davranmak yerine bir kere dinleseydin, hemen kabul ederdin. Bunun yerine senin 'cevabın' bir Wikipedia alıntısıydı. Gerçekten mi?

I don't understand the language of your Tatar masters, sorry.

Some people do (it's an old spelling pronunciation), the majority however indeed pronounces it the same as door or boar which isn't as bad but still. Don't some hillbillies (no offence) live in the area marked as General American there?

The "General American" (yellow slashes) area is just a strip of the Midwest, which is already considered to have the most "neutral" accent. Most of the area is rural, but of a different character than hillbilly-rural areas (Appalachia (the "hill" in "hillbilly" originally referred to the foothills of the Appalachians), the Ozarks, the Deep South). The typical resident of the yellow slashed area is an austere, conventional, Lutheran/mainline Protestant corn farmer who probably votes red but isn't super political in general. American Gothic does a really good job capturing the soul of the place.

I see. The Midwest and Mid-Atlantic appear to be the least cool places in America though.

By the way, asking on-topic, what do you think is more widespread and General American: completely merging the vowels into AH even before L or not merging them at all?

Imagine if we were slavic and made this slight linguistic difference the basis of our entire identity and drew borders over this and killed eachother over those borders and larped as totally different people with 1,000 years of totally separate history over this? Wouldn’t that be crazy?

I suppose that comes with "austere and conventional". The Midwest also has extremely bland geography apart from the Great Lakes. I'm generally too asocial for "cool" stuff to matter much to me apart from the surrounding nature. Too much of what interests me involves a computer.
Having not properly studied it, I can only say what my personal experience has been, and that's that it seems more common among younger and more urban people to merge the vowels even before L, but there's still quite a lot of variance between (and even within) individuals. It's hard to say whether merging or not merging before L is more common on the whole.

Yeah so good you made NIGGERS the basis of your identity instead.

Yeah maybe. Is it true Texas actually has jungles or something like that, like the Deep South? I'm used to think about it as about a desert.

For me, freeway specifically refers to the federal interstate road system, while highways are smaller state and local controlled-access roads. Everything else is the same expect no y’all.

t. seattle washington

its the same for me
t westcoast chad
captcha masss fuck boston lol

seattle washington

I feel like the Northwest is very similar to New England. Is it true?

is the same

its the same for me

westcoast

West coast where?

LA chad

Jungles? Definitely not. The Deep South doesn't have jungles either. The only tropical climates in America are in Hawaii and the south tip of Florida (the only part of Florida that qualifies as "Deep South" is the northern bit), and the Floridian tropics are more swamp than jungle. The densest foliage in Texas is to the east. Here in central Texas, we have a few nice oaks along with tons of shitty junipers and things that are more of shrubs than trees. Only west Texas has true deserts, and the space between "west" and "central" Texas are mostly plains and ugly shrublands. (Can you tell I don't care for the nature here?)
I use "highway" to refer to large, high speed roads with few to no stops in general, "tollway" to refer to highways with tolls, and "freeway" to refer to highways without tolls.

Kinda, our winters aren’t nearly as cold and I think it’s less humid in general (or used to be).
Does texas have a lot of toll roads? I only see tolls on certain bridges and tunnels, as well as some lanes on certain stretches of road, but not entire toll roads.

Kinda

Could you elaborate? I meant not only the climate but everything else too.

Austin has toll lanes on a couple of highways. Houston has them all over the place and many fully toll roads. I'm less sure about DFW. I guess it's a consequence of having generally lower taxes, but maybe that's just a narrative I've been sold.

gonna go on a run. i'll respond to whatever afterwards if the thread stays alive long enough

So basically I'd say the Deep South is the coolest region, then goes New England, and then the Southwest.
The Mid-Atlantic is the least cool one, followed by the Midwest (both Great Plains and Great Lakes I'd deem).
I'm still not sure how the Northwest Pacific compares to New England, might be the former is actually better.

Since I care mostly about the nature and climate, I'd put the PNW at the top of my cool list

Yeah. New England is also very overcrowded. PNW won.