If you were ever curious about how European populations are related, this picture sums it up. The closer two dots, the more related.
European genetic distances
No neighbours
We suffer
You have Americans
You have German Americans and 1.5 billion accidentally German Americans.
Interesting how far we are from Veneto. But on the other hand, Italians do look noticably different, even the north ones.
t. has Venetian speakers in the family
Also this map should be flipped 90° to the left
Italians have a wide genetic diversity. I didn't post it but multiple countries cluster differently depending on the region. E.g. Sicilians vs. Lombardians.
Assuming that's true and not the usual irrelevant bullshit, why are "Balkans" and "Eastern Europe" stereotyped as one big blob? but westoids always consider themselves super-diverse and think how special their tiny region of Schnitzelberg is?
Look at Spanish and Swiss German, and then look at Romanian and Polish, or Czech.
Westoids are the blob
Because people assume all former Soviet bloc countries are the same due to having an accent that makes them sound direct and uninterested. Apartment blocks that are bleak but nostalgia inducing for the people raised in them.
Why only Russian_Kursk on the map?
Lol yeah this is bullshit. Albanians should be waay closer to british and greek people.
Athena = Alba = Albania = Albion
They're not much different from other Russians
I was lazy to put them all. I need to figure out which samples to put out for a full represenative. Multiple samples from Italy, Russia, Finland, Germany, France and Spain to capture the full diversity.
British Isles has pretty low genetic variance surprisingly, even between the Welsh, Scottish and English.
In picrel -> you can see all the Russian samples if you wanted to know. I think I put all the Ukrainian samples too.
Is Kursk supposed to be the best representative of the Russians? I saw another pic with Russian_Central_Average
Russian_central_average,0.1306305,0.1122426,0.0753542,0.0656682,0.0336174,0.022612,0.0101845,0.0123652,-0.0031875,-0.02566,0.0001128,-0.0093301,0.0176686,0.0219806,-0.0116179,-0.0018969,0.0032922,-0.0012008,0.0011883,0.0023479,-0.0029565,-0.0036841,0.0040764,-0.0045651,-0.0003245
It's a composite of Kursk, Ryazan and Tver?
A Russian poster told me these results are pretty Russian, though it looks like there's some similarity to Ukrainians too. He has Ukrainian admixture after all.
Ukrainians and Russians are genetically the same people. Poles too.
new central europe map just dropped
I think it's fascinating how closely related northwestern Europeans seem. Also it's interesting to see how isolated the southern peninsulas are. as excepted I guess, seeing how they're cut off from the rest with huge mountain ranges
Russians seem to be Ukrainians with a bit of extra Baltic/Finnic.
Poles
Yes, Poles in general are pretty similar to Russians/Ukrainians, but there's some regional variation there too. Some Balkan admixture in South Poland. And a bit more ANF and shift toward the Germans
Not all the NW Euros though. Austrians, and Germans too, and even Swedes, seem to diverge a bit. But indeed Scandinavians, Brits, Irish and Dutch are very close genetically.
albanians are inbred greco-shitalians that resemble West Asian goat herders
your actual genetics and your physical appearance are miles apart
you would really not expect it. Brits look nothing like scandis, and they're mostly of celtic stock instead of germanic
Krasnoborsky, Pinezhsky, Pinega and Leshukonsky are the districts of Arkhangelsk oblast in Russia where the total population is less than 1 million people. Average Russians are next to other slavs
exactly
I have all North-Western European ethnicities in my top 10 gedmatch approximation
this goes only for South-East Germans and Austrians
even Baden-Wuerttembergarian Germans are hardcore North-Western in terms of their genetics
True, though I saw some British haploautism posters say that there's not really much of a difference between Celts and Germanics.
And it's true Brits don't really look like Scandis, although some do. Scandis have Celtic/British admixture too actually.
And France is a very diverse zone genetically.
celtic stock instead of germanic
barely a difference genetically
both derived from bell beakers, there is a reason Celts and Germanics have been treated similar in all history
Not exactly. As you can see from this xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai
Such is the fate of the euro mutt
Yeah Germans vary a lot. Southern ones have more "Celtic" admixture and don't cluster with the Germanics as closely. But the Northern ones do. And Eastern Germans probably have a Slavic genetic signal.
Pic related its a regional breakdown of Germany and France
greek
european
even Baden-Wuerttembergarian Germans are hardcore North-Western in terms of their genetics
Cope, recent scientific studies have revealed that Germans are only 30% on average descended from ancient germanics, thus even anglos are more similar to ancient germanics than Germans
nature.com
Most present-day Germans can be modelled as three-way admixture between SGermany_EIA (54.5±2%) [Celtic], NGermany_Roman (33.8±2.5%) [Germanic] and a third, northeastern European source (here Latvia_BA, 11.7±1.2%) representing further admixture introduced after the initial admixture event, potentially connected to Slavic-speaking populations migrating into eastern Germany during the Middle Ages
70% of population of Russia lives in the European part, only the inhabitants of western Siberia are of North Russian origin, as they are descendants of first colonizers, eastern Siberia was colonized quite recently, 100-200 years ago, and was settled by Russians and Ukrainians from central Russia.
en.wikipedia.org
so 80-90% of Russians are 100% Slavs indistinguishable from Ukrainians or Poles
en.wikipedia.org
That's Far East, not Eastern Siberia. And this place was acquired from China only in 19th century.
It doesn't show as clearly with the averages but if you look at individual samples many Germans (Northern ones) cluster more with the core Germanic/NW Euro group of Scands+Brtis+Dutch
Yeah barely anyone lives there but there's a bunch of samples on vahaduo kek. I'm kind of surprised by the variance in the Central Russian samples though, especially Kaluga seems quite Baltic.
pic rel
Yeah barely anyone lives there
Yes, northern Russians are actually very few in Russia, I think no more than 10% of the total population
What "picrel"??? I said literally zero things about Ukrainians. You just pointing out on Eastern Siberia and giving me Far East, especially the place which was settled the last. How is this even related to amount of Ukrainians thrown around across USSR and Russia?
I have all North-Western European ethnicities in my top 10 gedmatch approximation
A trve Germanic German. It's surprising how far Austrians are from the core Northwestern cluster.
Also look at pic related kek. Brits really are Germanic.
wtf with that one zhytomyrets
Brits and Scandis are way more related than one would expect from phenotype autism.
I said that 70% of Russia's population lives in the European part and that there are a huge number of Ukrainians living in Siberia. Average Russian is a pure Slav, northern Russians are probably no more than 10%
And France is a very diverse zone genetically. #
this is fucking retarded
How could you say France is diverse and at the same time say it's "mutt central"?
And it's mental illness to say the southwest is iberian or the northeast is germanic just because they cluster closer to these regions
Jewish outlier
yes the neolithical shift is quite higher in the South compared to the North
but as your picture described the majority of Germans are picture perfect North-Western European by definition
one has to see the distance of the model used to judge himself, while some Baltic admixture entered with German knight order it does not make up the majority of ancestry for a high share of Germans
one can model me as half dakota half papuan but it does not fit quite well
as for germans having benelux, scandinavia and britain in their gedmatch results speaks for itself
Germans are distinguished from Norwegians and Dutch by their slavic blood. The average German is 15% Balto-Slavic and 55% Celtic
Actually, the name of the city itself - Berlin - most likely came from old Slavic root 'brlo' or 'berl(o)' which meant “swamp” or “wetland”.
northern Russians are probably no more than 10%
I think probably more. I know that these places are melting pots nowadays, but still Northern Russians were resettled too and melted in. So by population let's count this: Saint-Petersburg 5.6kk + Sverdlovsk oblast 4.2kk + Chelyabinsk oblast 3.4kk + Perm krai 2.5kk + Leningrad oblast 2kk + Yaroslavl oblast 1.2kk + Vologda oblast 1.1kk + Arkhangelsk oblast 0.95kk + Kirov oblast 1.9kk + Kostroma oblast 0.5kk = 23.35kk. I know it's wrong to count ALL of the population in the subjects, but still I didn't even count other Russian population in neighbouring to the subjects as well as many places in Siberia and some Russian North too. So if we count by 23.35kk it's already more than 10%.
I pasted all the individal German samples. All the purple dots are German.
It was half in jest. In general in any country you can see small genetic differences if you do the genetic autism thing but it doesn't matter since it's one ethnicity.
Is she jewish or russian? I want one. I heard russian women have a knack or a kink for turning their men into cripples or mentally disable them and make them drool and stuff. Is it true?
Where would I be?
the rent-free obsession of Slavs with our genetic profile is outstanding
polish and russian flags have to be the worst posters on this spear-tucking basket weaving forum
see for yourself ruskie at the worst you see the most exotic Germans clustering somewhere in-between North-Western and Central Europe
I'm not sure, looks pretty Southeastern European though. Northern Europeans (West or East) don't have Southern results in their ancestry. You could get G25 coordinates from Davidski if you want to know more.
How far back does this account for population movement?
Saint-Petersburg 5.6kk
Populated mostly by Slavs who settled there recently
Sverdlovsk oblast 4.2kk + Chelyabinsk oblast 3.4kk + Perm krai 2.5kk
I doubt that everyone in Urals is of North Russian origin. Recently, blogger Nikolai Rosov did a DNA test and it turned out that he is close to Central Russians (and belarussians), not Northern Russians
Leningrad oblast 2kk
same as st.petersburg
Yaroslavl oblast 1.2kk
Genetically closer to Central Russians
Vologda oblast 1.1kk + Arkhangelsk oblast 0.95kk
Ok
Kirov oblast 1.9kk + Kostroma oblast 0.5kk = 23.35kk
Doubt everyone there is of northern Russian descent
I know it's wrong to count ALL of the population in the subjects, but still I didn't even count other Russian population in neighbouring to the subjects as well as many places in Siberia and some Russian North too. So if we count by 23.35kk it's already more than 10%.
Most of regions you listed were populated mainly during the Soviet Union by people from the central regions. For example, the population of Ekaterinburg in 1917 was 71,000. There were more people living in Voronezh by comparison.
see ---------> nature.com
Most present-day Germans can be modelled as three-way admixture between SGermany_EIA (54.5±2%) [Celtic], NGermany_Roman (33.8±2.5%) [Germanic] and a third, northeastern European source (here Latvia_BA, 11.7±1.2%) representing further admixture introduced after the initial admixture event, potentially connected to Slavic-speaking populations migrating into eastern Germany during the Middle Ages
oops
And here we see a Norwegian's results. NW and NE Europeans don't have any southern signal in the DNA results.
I doubt that everyone in Urals is of North Russian origin.
See picrel. Russians of Perm and differences to them.
Recently, blogger Nikolai Rosov did a DNA test and it turned out that he is close to Central Russians (and belarussians), not Northern Russians
Yeah, let's count the whole cluster by one person.
Scottish ancestry
Also, have you read the article I linked?
Russians of Zabaikalsky krai:
Evenk 5% + Russian_Don_Cossack 15% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 35% + Russian_Ural_West 45% @ 1,9
Bashkir_East 5% + Evenk 5% + Russian_Don_Cossack 15% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 75% @ 1,91
Evenk 5% + Khanty 5% + Russian_Don_Cossack 20% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 70% @ 1,99
Bashkir_East 5% + Evenk 5% + Russian_Bryansk 15% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 75% @ 1,99
Bashkir_East 5% + Evenk 5% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 75% + Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina 15% @ 2,03
Russians of Vyatka (Kirov oblast):
Vepsa 15% + Russian-Pinega-Mezen 5% + Russian-Smolensk 60% + Udmurt 20% @ 4,86
Vepsa 15% + Russian-Pinega-Mezen 5% + Russian-Pskov 5% + Russian-Smolensk 55% + Udmurt 20% @ 4,89
Vepsa 10% + Russian-Pinega-Mezen 10% + Russian-Novgorod 5% + Russian-Smolensk 55% + Udmurt 20% @ 4,99
Vepsa 10% + Russian-Pinega-Mezen 10% + Russian-Rostov 5% + Russian-Smolensk 60% + Udmurt 15% @ 5,08
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 25% + Russian-Smolensk 60% + Udmurt 15% @ 5,2
According to the article basically Smolensk+Vepsa components can be counted as Russian-Novgorod.
Russians of Perm krai:
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Pskov 15% + Russian-Novgorod 15% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Udmurt 15% @ 3,49
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Novgorod 20% + Russian-Smolensk 10% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Udmurt 15% @ 3,78
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Pskov 25% + Russian-Smolensk 5% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Udmurt 15% @ 3,8
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Pskov 30% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Udmurt 15% @ 3,85
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Pskov 25% + Russian-Rostov 5% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Udmurt 15% @ 3,95
potentially connected to Slavic-speaking populations migrating into eastern Germany during the Middle Ages
I am fairly sure that slavic admixture comes through polish migration to german industrial cities during the Kaiserreich and the Germans expelled from the east after WW2 and not some mystery migration during the middle ages.
And most important:
Russian-Solvychegodsk:
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 35% + Russian-Rostov 30% + Russian-Novgorod 15% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 10% + Karelian 10% @ 3,12
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Novgorod 40% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 10% + Karelian 5% + Udmurt 5% @ 3,65
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 35% + Russian-Pskov 10% + Russian-Rostov 35% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 10% + Karelian 10% @ 3,66
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 35% + Russian-Rostov 35% + Russian-Smolensk 10% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 10% + Karelian 10% @ 3,69
Russian-Pinega-Mezen 40% + Russian-Pskov 5% + Russian-Novgorod 35% + Komi-Zyryan-SW 15% + Karelian 5% @ 3,73
Also Russians of West Siberia (Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Tomsk, Altai krai).
Polish 15% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 20% + Russian_Ural_West 55% + Ukrainian_Poltava 10% @ 1,45
Polish 25% + Russian_North_Dvina 5% + Russian_Solvychegodsk 15% + Russian_Ural_West 55% @ 1,46
Polish 20% + Russian_North_Dvina 10% + Russian_Ural_West 60% + Ukrainian_Poltava 10% @ 1,46
Polish 15% + Russian_Ustyuzhna 10% + Russian_Ural_West 65% + Ukrainian_Poltava 10% @ 1,46
Polish 25% + Russian_North_Dvina 5% + Russian_Ustyuzhna 5% + Russian_Ural_West 65% @ 1,47
As you can see there are a lot of Ukrainian-Polish components as you've said. But there are also huge amount of Russian_Ural_West which is - Russian-Perm.
Russian_Ural_West – Russians of Perm and Yekaterinburg (7)
small fix
Do you still use novichok?
Ok maybe samara and perm are populated by northern russians mostly, however it sure doesn't extend further than that
I don't see where it says Yekaterinburg
That means modern Germans are nothing like the founding fathers of Germany. Celtoslav, it's over
I don't see where it says Yekaterinburg
Literally from the article:
Russian_Ural_West – pyccкиe Пepми и Eкaтepинбypгa (7)
Celtoslav, it's over
These are haplogroup frequency affinity maps. Northern Russians aren't very close to Balts.
I am Greek.
It doesn't really make sense to talk of the ancestry of remote regions of Russia in Siberia and so on. The core Russian ethnicity derived from near the border of Ukraine and just got transplanted to the rest of Russia and mixed a bit and assimilated whatever minorities were there.
It's over Finn, you are Russian. The Swedish larp, defeated by modern genetic science.
It's funny how Germans are like 10% Scandinavian but head-canon'd it into being 100% Germanic and that's the end of it but Russians have violently strong racial dysphoria about their Ukrainian identity being questioned and make tens of thousands of posts about it.
Who are the founding fathers of Germany'?
Ludwig the German
I fail to understand how east francia was any more german than the entirety of the frankish empire
Ancient germanics you don't look like
Of course this thread is hijacked by Russian haploschizos.
Not really. There is no main schizo, we keep our discussion to the thread actually.
I mean, it was made by a Russian(diasporoid) haploшиз in the first place
Franks, Allemani and Bavarians were already mutts
Cope
you will never be a germanic
kekkkk
it's brutal
Celts in Scotland and Ireland more Germanic than Northern Germans loooool
bugari tatari bros in shambles
Why Germans speak the Germanic language?
I assume "Ukraine_medieval" is some generally Slavic component?
I wonder how the future picture of European population will look like in 50 years after heavy mixing with tens of millions of africans, asians and southamerica.
This picture is going to be the representative of the "last Europeans" before massive inmigration.
And I wonder how that Spanish-Basque that is in the top of the picture (in the extreme north) look like. He must be a uber-basque type from a very rural area. Someone should interview him.
Now that I think about it, there's some irony about "Germania" being one of the lesser Germanic countries genetically speaking. I think even Nazis knew about this though, before genetic science.
What surprises me more is how Germanic Brits are. They are Scandinavian-tier genetically.
I am a German with pretty much all my grandparents coming from the German east and i found out that my great grandmother was poolish…. Its over
Why does it wonder you. The anglos come to britain when slavs didn’t expand west so they weren’t mutted up yet and in britain they only mixed with local celts
Yes, it's the most Slavic sample in the dataset. Half steppe, zero east asian
No, anglos have a high proportion of descent from Insular Celts, G25 doesn't distinguish Insular Celts from Germanics btw
nature.com
This is normal for Germans, they and Poles are fraternal Slavic peoples :)
Yeah. When it comes to the Brits you can see it more in the phenotypes than the genetics. This sort of look simply doesn't exist in Nederlands or Scandinavia. But he would score 100% Germanic on G25. I don't even mean the pigmentation but the physiognomy.
Austrians are less germanic than Czechs
This changes everything
Do you think i should consider myself slav? Maybe i learn interslavic
These two guys would have a very close genetic distance on G25, kek.
If insular Britons are so close to Scandinavians genetically why are they so different phenotypically?
As far as I know in Czechia German was spoken until 19th century, then the Czech language was artificially revived
The main hereditary component of Germans is celtic
SHG vs. insular Celt admixture
Although many Brits look Scandinavian . Obviously since they're a mix of Scandinavian and Celt.
I don’t think there are specific genetic test for our old east which i pretty much hail from. Maybe i will make my grandfather from breslau do a genetic test
Same reason you loon different from Russians yet you both stem from the same genetic population
It is over.
I shall follow my slavic ancestry and become a gay rapist.
How many Germans cluster with Scandinavians? 10%? Less?
The 1 % that live in Schleswig and speak danish natively
I think northern Germans and Frisians are similar to Danes
We're very different from russians genetically though, we're the mix of lighter original slavs and darker native balkan tribes like the Illyrians and thracians, so it would make sense for us to look darker.
germdogs should stop pretending to be germanic and accept they are polacks in denial
Lies only 40 % of us are polacks on denial
it's the 40% that matters
original slavs and darker native balkan tribes like the Illyrians and thracians
That is literally what i meant tho? You and Russians literally have both atleast 40% same genetic stock (early medieval slavs)
And other 60% are Turks
I dont know man. I live i huge city with alot of polaks around and they just seem very different from me. And mind you i descend from the east with known polish ancestry
HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is because polacks are mongolian mutts. We are the only pure slavs left.
This same Northern European eye shape pattern. Upturned and hooded. Norhwest and Northeast.
It's not that hard to understood. Outward 'looks' are only one part of phenotype, and phenotype only one part of genotype.
pic related is my hair colour and the lightest part of my beard
It's pretty common to have a beard differently coloured than the rest of one's hair. Actually I would go as far to say it's rarer to have uniformly coloured hair.
He looks strongly hidden jewish ancestor(s) vibe, even in Spain he would give foreigner vibes
I thought I was on his for a second
Me in the middle
No you probably look more like the Norwegian. The middle is a Central Russian.
And if you see Sv3rige he has a reddish beard while having light blonde hair on his head.
Sv3rige btw has a pure HG phenotype. He got DNA tested too, 100% Latvian-Baltic.
it's the most Slavic sample in the dataset.
Distance above 0.025 - unrelated population
Is it Russian results? Or more Ukrainian?
He's 100% autistic
Russian. ukrainian_dnipro - eastern ukrainian
Pic related is me. The above Russian mixed with Jewish, West Russian and Finnic. Here's those coordinates
Moldovan and Ukrainian kek
scaled, 0.130897,0.109677,0.06939,0.065246,0.036622,0.025937,0.008225,0.010384,-0.012271,-0.024602,-0.002273,-0.007343,0.016055,0.016377,-0.013708,0.001061,0.004824,-0.002027,0.002263,0.007504,-0.011605,-0.005812,0.00419,-0.004579,-0.002275
slavic bvll
Can you tell me about the Dnipro and Chernihiv Ukrainians
Also why are the Irish inferior to scandis if they're genetically nigh identical
Inferior
Who said that? Ah well some white supremacists say that but it's weird schizoposting. Irish are full blooded Northwestern Europeans even more than Northern Germans