How do they do it?

none of those companies I mentioned getting raped are American, retard

nikon literally targeted professional photographers and the various 645 cameras that raped hasselblad are literally professional grade cameras. canon was the one who targeted consumers

>cameras

gone to Apple in USA and samsung in Korea

sony literally makes the sensors in every professional camera and every phone

making components has a 5-10% profit margin. making iPhones has a 50%+ profit margin.

sony took a massive loss here, like they always do.

weak yen

steal trade secrets from the west

sell cheap shit that captures marketshare

profit

invest into r&d and move up the value chain

weak yuan

repeat

sony wasn't the one making all the slrs at the time, nikon and canon took bigger loses, reddit spacer. the cellphone camera market mostly killed the market segment that had been canon's with film and digital point and shoots.

Before japanese watches, the most accurate watches were Swiss Made.

So everyone that needs accurate time (work, sports, military, etc) were ALL forced to but expensive Swiss watches.

Japan erased that entire market with their cheap accurate watches, and all Swiss do now is cope with "muh luxury" and "muh heritage".

Their market share got absolutely destroyed by the japanese

Nobody under 50 wears watches

Why do you like lying? Almost all medical cameras are Japanese.

My dad bought a ton of Soviet made goods in the early 1990's when everything was being sold for a few dollars.

He bought like a dozen mint condition Zenit cameras with full accessories (including the photosniper) and I have no idea what to do with them

The global size of medical cameras market in terms of revenue was estimated to be worth USD 2.9 billion

woah... so this is the power of Japan...

A lot of people here do, actually, but I do work in Manhattan, which definitely doesn't represent the average nation

places still develop film

I don't care about photography in general. But for some reason I don't want to sell them either

Topcon is found all over Asia and is now dominating Western Europe

The global optometry equipment market is valued at an estimated USD 4.5 billion in 2024 and is projected to reach USD 6.1 billion by 2029, at a CAGR of 6.4% during the forecast period

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topcon

Planned obsolescence and locked down service economy bullshit is everywhere, US and Europe still make some solid quality products but entertainment media has stagnated hard in the recent decades because of all the political holier than though asinine virtue signaling.
It is no wonder Japanese anime/manga & video games are more popular but even then Japanese media has stagnated just not to the same extent as western nations.

Japan is still a great tourist destination I want to explore it's less popular more remote locations before it drastically changes with mass immigration, I wish I visited back in the 00s and early 10s when they were at their peak subculture wise.

GS beats Goylex.

ah yes those famous Japanese competitors to Vacheron Constantin and Bregeut such as uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the swiss watch cartels and leica basically lost all of their market shares overnight and had to rebrand as luxury brands/jewelry because they could not compete on tech anymore

To whom? Name a single analogue to Vacheron Constantin. Some nerd buying a casio watch is an entirely different market from some rich cunt buying a 40k$ piece just to flex. He doesn’t care about all that technology n shiet. He cares about it being Vacheron Constantin and all the bling on it.

the swiss watch groups used to make tool watches that normal professions who needed good time keeping owned. fucking train conductors owned rolexes. the swiss had to rebrand to being jewelry because the entire professional and consumer market became japanese overnight.

The wristwatch is one of the stupidest inventions ever.
If you're hungry, eat; if you're sleepy, go to bed.

Brands such as Vacheron Constantin are literally older than your country and have always targeted rich fucks like aristocrats. You can look it up if you don’t trust me. You mushing it all together is like saying Lamborghini is done as a brand because Priuses are a thing.

based

and casio fucking raped them out of most of their market share. I don't think gay retards like you understand how fucked the swiss economy was over this. 2/3rds of swiss watch companies and more than 2/3rds of swiss watch makers just vanished as a result of quartz watches
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_crisis
you think of swiss watches are being just a luxury due to the german education system being not very good compared to the US one and because the remaining swiss watch companies needed to rebrand

and casio fucking raped them out of most of their market share

With what? The famous luxury casio watches that cost in the tens of thousands and have jewellery on them? I have yet to see a single one. You sound like an underage retard who doesn’t understand how price niches work. You’ll get it when you buy your first car.

this is why the US went to the moon and germany invented becoming trannies. if 2/3rds of swiss watch companies and 2/3rds of swiss watch makers go bankrupt due to casio, casio stole the swiss marketshare and the swiss had to rebrand as luxury jewelry. Leica, which is german, had to do the same shit due to nikon which is japanese taking all of leica's marketshare. you are going to try to give me the

no leica is expensive jewelry

except they aren't. they were tools, like rolex, that got replaced by higher quality japanese products which were no only better in terms of quality and tech but also cheaper

this is why the US went to the moon

say thank you

nope, the US went to the moon and invented the atomic bomb. you germans invented cutting off dicks in the 20s and 30s.

never used any watches besides one from a cereal box I got

what makes certain watches better than others? Aren't all watches equally good as long as they fulfill their purpose of accurately measuring time?

Why are swiss watches so jerked off to? Is it because they were pioneers on the thing and everyone just kept buying them because they associated pioneering = best product?

You went to the Moon because a literal SS officer was the head of NASA. Say thank you.

what makes certain watches better than others?

accuracy of time

Why are swiss watches so jerked off to?

expensive

accuracy of time

damn, bro, you sporting an atomic clock?

why yes my watch does get its time from an atomic clock

Leica is Swiss you dumbass, Sokkia is Japanese

Good for you! Does all that accuracy get you bitches like a 60k Swiss piece does?

oh, anon! You have such a high precision! Is that rubidium? Can I touch it?

get you bitches like a 60k Swiss piece does

prove this has ever happened outside of your head

Some grass touching every once in a while helps.

swiss watches used to be better at keeping time than other watches. quartz watches are about as good at keeping time or better than basically all mechanical watches so now swiss watches exist to be fancy jewelry so you can brag about much craftmanship and my expensive. the joke being only other men care and women care about the color of a watch more than if its swiss or mechanical or whatever
we went to the moon because America has the best education and tech and engineers and people. you invented cutting off dicks in the 20s

Mind telling me what American university such brilliant American people such as von Braun, Fermi, and Dirac attended?

Leica Camera AG (/ˈlaJkə/) is a German company that

Founded 1869 in Wetzlar, Germany (Ernst >Leitz Wetzlar); 1986 in Solms, Germany (Leica)

gay retard

bitches literally can't tell watches apart. you can go buy a $50 chinese quartz watch with a rolex logo on it and bitches will be impressed

get you

as in directly cause

anyways yes for me the accuracy of time is best. it's the same with gps, we can have consumer 1cm accurate gps now because of how precise differences in time can be measured

mind telling me what books the german people invented that hitler burned (they were about the german invention of trannies and how to cut dicks off)

GPS needs all that accuracy because it’s a system of satellites at 20000km above Earth that need to resolve meter-long distance. You don’t need this accuracy to tell when’s your next CS class is starting, nerd.

I don’t obsess over trannies, more so books about them. Try asking ChatGPT. Sorry.

germans invented troons in the 1920s. that's literally the only thing germany has ever invented or done

I’m sorry your brilliant American education (best, bestest in fact) only covers troons and not things like math. Otherwise you would have known about people like Gauss, Weierstrass, Riemann, and Hilbert. I guess troons are more important for sending people to the moon.

America sent people to the moon, germany was too busy losing wars, inventing rifles that melt and making scat porn

I haven’t yet heard thank you from you. Say thank you, pwease. Thank all the Nazis you won over for putting you on the moon.

why would I thank conquered bitches for something Americans did?

Nazis discovered space. Completely unironically. They were just shooting rockets in the air to see how high they would go, and one didn't come back down, and they were like das wtf. The German scientists America gave it free tech research points. Kinda like how Rome got new units and tech every time is conquered a people and absorbed them. The Nazi scientists also invented the first jet plane though it was first successfully piloted by an American, I think. The first German pilot that tried died horribly but it probably was not his fault. America had focused on nuclear technology which was arguably superior. Eventually the two combined into the nuclear missile.

Because those “Americans” were naturalized Nazis. You know, I can’t even do this low quality trolling with the Russians. At least they had some domestic talent to do all the firsts they mogged you with.

what, first famine? first time their leader died in his own piss after the dictator of yugoslavia fed him rat poision?
Americans landed on the moon and invented penicillin and the vaccine for polio. germans invented trooning out, losing wars and communism. russians invented starving to death

industrialization

Do I have to list them all? Does you American education not cover this basic stuff?

first satellite

first human in space

first flybys of the Moon, Venus, and Mars

first probe in Solar orbit

first landings on the Moon and Mars

only landings on Venus to this day

first lunar rover

first space station

first docking

first eva

meanwhile

we won da race because a Nazi SS officer put lards on the Moon

congrats

german simping for russia because his grandma was gangraped by russians

the US won the spacerace, cope. russia won the blow up your own nuclear reactor race

knowing basic history of the world war is simping for Russia

I’m sorry, but the absolutely horrible German education system failed me. I have wasted my years learning about space exploration when I was supposed to learn about troons in Weimar Germany. I concede.

Retarded bitch, why is there Swiss flag on Leica things there? Holy fucking moron.

*cold war

leica is a german company founded in germany by germans you shit eating communist retard
troons are the only thing germany ever invented, troons and losing. Meanwhile the US won the space race and cold war and the russians nuked themselves

Yeah. They are. I’ll let you continue enjoying the fruits of American education about troons while I enjoy differential geometry spearheaded by Riemann. The saddest part of this whole conversation is that I genuinely can’t tell if this is some elaborate trolling you’re doing. I’m being gaslit here.

your country invented scat porn and eating shit. the US went to the moon and ended polio and invented antibiotics. we have better education

Yeah, you do. Unfortunately we haven’t reached those levels yet. I don’t know about all that Weimar troon lore that must have gotten you to the Moon. Truly, I am a retarded coprophile compared to the Amerigods. I’ll have to stick to ooga booga things like math.

muh german math

American math invented the atom bomb, got the US to the moon, invented the computer and internet. german math invented guns that melt

American math

a Swiss-German Jew (Einstein) and an Italian (Fermi)

fucking kek. Math doesn’t invent guns btw. That’s not a mathematician’s job. Your shitville hs must have not told you the difference between a mathematician and an engineer. But that’s not as relevant as educating about troons and scat porn I suppose.

quartz

there are unironically good. is too bad autist swiss insist on selling overpriced "automatics" and start selling them as "lux" or "art" shit, which basically caused them to go bankrupt and turn into a cottage industri, when once they used to mass manufacture watches for armies and governments.

and all Swiss do now is cope with "muh luxury" and "muh heritage".

true.

you must be a gay retard (common for germans, they did lose the war) if you think engineering doesn't involve math

Are you a professional mathematician when you count the tip at the restaurant? It involves math, you know. Accountants must be mathematicians too, I guess.

Do tell me, if you don’t mind. How old are you? I am talking to the “I am a fat boomer in cargo shorts who’s never left his state and hides from his annoying fat wife to post on Anon Babble” type of retard or “I am a chud posting from a trailer park”? This conversation sparked some of my imagination.

he still thinks watches get bitches

And you're calling others underage lmao. Turn 21

accountants are professional mathematicians. you reddit space and germany has shit tier education with an inflated ego. that's why you always go to war and lose. very funny when smug german boys were sent back home in pieces to starve while watching commies rape their wives. should be happening again soon with no US in nato

accountants are professional mathematicians

Thank you for entertaining me this much anon. I haven’t had this much fun since forever. What theorems do accountants prove? Do they work in a particular field like homotopy theory or ring theory? Must be some very niche thing like infinity-category theory because I’ve yet to remember a single major result by an accountant.

sneak in samsung like clockwork

your breath smells like rotten kimchi

its literally applied math they get paid for you gay retard.
the US also has the most fields medals. Germany only has 1 more than brazil

Like he said hereJaps make useful tools for actual work, not for rich posh cunt lounging and masturbating. Toyota also btfos every automobile designer when it comes to providing tough and reliable trucks for farmers, small constructors, etc.
As someone who lives far out in the countryside, I unironically would prefer a beaten up 20 year old Toyota Ute over some Porsche or Ferrari

Almost all pro photographers use Sony today, the Trump raised-fist photo was taken with a Sony camera.

Japanese discipline and a respect of trades/crafts

US has 15 Fields medals with the population of 340 million

France has 13 with 60 million

nice. Now tell me how many of those were Jewish.

Math doesn’t invent guns btw.

Bro what? Math is absolutely essentially for gunsmiths. How the fuck do you think they calculate air pressure, temperature, gauge, caliber, muzzle speed, etc.?

See my comment about accountants. Gunsmiths aren’t mathematicians. You are a professional linguist if your job includes typing an email.

m-m-muh irrelevant eurosoy medals

Unironically the equivalent of Americans bragging about World Series or Superbowls.

so Fields medals that you have brought up are now irrelevant and suddenly yuro? Ok? Oh, wait, you didn’t understand what I was saying. Division must not be something that is covered in a country that mogs everyone at math apparently. Let me help you out. I have 10 apples. I want to give them out to 5 people. How many apples does each person get? That’s right, 2! Good job! No, anon, we won’t be talking about troons today.

lol germany trying the percapita shit and trying to pretend their masters (france) count as germans
you got btfo'd boi, sit down

Can confirm this

engineers do math you gay retard. unless you are german, then your guns melt

you are talking to 2 different people, scat retard

I highly doubt Japan will ever succumb to war or human revenge. I think the cunt will get natural disaster’d pretty soon. It’s not fair how blessed they are without believing in an Abrahamic God

pretend

I never pretended that France is Germany. I have named plenty of German mathematicians so far. Unfortunately, the stuff they researched was a little more complicated that division.
And a cashier does math when they count change. That’s not professional mathematics.

Well, if you’re the second person, I advise you take ritalin and learn to follow the thread replies.

we are good at living rent free in you, mr rape baby :)

Yeah, I saw that he brought it up. My point still stands doe. America since its inception has achieved far more than Germany has in the same time frame. I know you fags are kinda mad at the little group chat incident, but please.

Yeah, I don’t deny that. I just find it entertaining to talk to zoo animals who respond with troons and da moon whenever you try to have an intelligent conversation with them. At one point you start questioning whether you’re even talking to a real person. Not exclusive to your flag btw. This conversation started with the retard claiming that the Swiss luxury watch industry tanked because of 5$ casio watches and here we are.

And a cashier does math when they count change.

no they don't. the register does

I never pretended that France is Germany.

cool, germany is as good at math as brazil

2/3rds of swiss watchmakers went out of business you fucking shit eating retard. holy shit you are more retarded than the fucking russian who thinks leica is swiss

So the register is a professional mathematician? Even better. And they don’t even get paid! We should replace all the math professors with registers, my dude. It will save millions.

germany is as good at math as brazil

Agh, the famous Brazilian equivalents to Hilbert and Weierstrass such as uhhhhhhhh

Well, his claim is right. Because the Swiss "luxury" watch industry didn't even exist prior to the quartz crisis. This is simply well-known history in the watch hobby, it's not some weird thing he just came up with.
It's the same thing as factory automation tanking craftsmen during the industrial revolutions, forcing them to pivot to making "hand-made" "luxury" "artisinal" products.

Yeah, but Vacheron Constantin didn’t. Breguet didn’t. It’s almost as if the whole market isn’t uniform…

So the register is a professional mathematician?

a register is a computer, you gay retard

Agh, the famous Brazilian equivalents to Hilbert and Weierstrass

yup, brazil is just as good
its almost as though you are literally retarded and don't know what market share is. Casio makes nearly twice the revenue as Vacheron Constantin and that is now that people don't wear watches. same thing with seiko

Because the Swiss "luxury" watch industry didn't even exist prior to the quartz crisis

Yeah, all those companies that existed before your country and famously sold watches to fucking royalty didn’t exist before the Japs forced them to. There was never a market for them because, you know, all those aristocrats lived like monks.

In 1783, an admirer of Marie Antoinette, the Queen of France, commissioned a watch from Abraham-Louis Breguet as a gift for the Queen.

no they only sold watches to royalty

train conductors had rolex watches. 2/3rds of all watch companies in switzerland went defunct in the 1980s

Ok? Who cares about the revenue? I’m sure Toyota makes more than Lamborghini. So? They’re intended for two different consumer groups.

Muh Rolex is what poor people rich people buy. It’s the Gucci of watch brands. Notice how I never mentioned it once.

*poor people think rich people buy

So you need to fork over 60k in jewelry to get bitches?

first good burn I got itt and it’s from Pvt Gomez. I kneel.

Fine if you want to be pedantic, it was a tiny market until the quartz crisis. The same companies simply existing does not indicate that they were engaged in the same industries.

On the other hand, the quartz revolution drove many Swiss manufacturers to seek refuge in (or be winnowed out to) the higher end of the market, such as Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet, and Rolex. Mechanical watches have gradually become luxury goods appreciated for their elaborate craftsmanship, aesthetic appeal, and glamorous design, sometimes associated with the social status of their owners, rather than simple timekeeping devices.

No, it’s still a tiny market. It was always a tiny market. Guess what, there aren’t that many rich people around and they don’t like to share. But we don’t live in a communist utopia so they’re still around and always were. And the Japs have no watch market for that consumer group, quartz or no quartz.

Mechanical watches have gradually become luxury goods appreciated for their elaborate craftsmanship, aesthetic appeal, and glamorous design, sometimes associated with the social status of their owners, rather than simple timekeeping devices

Don’t deny that. Same reason people obsess over vinyl and vacuum tubes.

I may not be Japanese but never call me American ever again.

I apologize, m8.

No, it’s still a tiny market

Certainly larger than before, when only royalty received such pieces from inside of Faberge eggs.

I like how you conveniently ignored

On the other hand, the quartz revolution drove many Swiss manufacturers to seek refuge in (or be winnowed out to) the higher end of the market, such as Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet, and Rolex

Which literally just verifies that guy's entire claim. Your very own A. Lange & Sohne used to make cheap timers and bomb fuses for the military during WWII.

Fair.

I wear a watch and I'm 37