Actually, we are a republic, not a democracy

They're correct. Democracy never existed in the first place and is just a buzzword to slander "the team I don't like".

Because it's true.
Switzerland is a democracy. We're not like that.

has elections and literally «we The people»

not a democracy

American education.

Switzerland

Nigga switzerland literally based their 1840s constitution on ours.

tyranny of the masses is a real thing as it pertains to civil and economic rights, wouldn't understand a germnigger to understand liberty though. literal bureaucrat bug people.

norgay education

Republics have representatives that people vote for to vote for them.
Democracies are direct.

Nigga switzerland literally based their 1840s constitution on ours.

And it wasn't a one-for-one copypaste. We based ours to some degree on the Iroquois system but ours still is very different.

American education

What’s there to say? Saying a country is a “democracy” is an incredibly broad brush to paint with. You also live in a unitary state, which in regard to “democracies” is the bottom of the fucking barrel as far as what I’ll say. Go blow it out your ass on Nordchan or whatever the fuck

We're a democracy chudtard. Republic and Democracy both were different words for "the public thing," and voter enfranchisement was one of the main goals of the successful Democratic-Republicans in the post-revolution period.

Just deal with it. Your cope isn't going to change anything. Honestly you should be glad its a democracy because its the only check against the left as their social ideas are genuinely unpopular.

Because it's not the same thing. Rome was a republic but it was not a democracy. Only the best of the aristocracy was fit to rule (optimates).
Democracy as we know it today (poor people overwhelming the rich, populares catering to the masses, women/foreigners being able to vote, etc.) would've sounded utterly retarded to Republican Romans.

We are a republic because democracy is mob rule.

Democracy can be limited to the body politic, which is up to said body politic to decide the parameters thereof; e.g the Confederacy was democratic, and seceded via popular referendum, and had universal white male suffrage but explicitly rejected the idea of black or foreign citizenship (entry into the body politic).

Direct democracies can often be more conservative than limited ones, too, so long as the body politic is restricted to citizens only.

that line is a way for them to cope with supporting the electoral college, which they support purely because it benefits them btw, all the meme reasons they come up with as a front to justify it are complete bullshit and they know it. If Hillary won the electoral college and lost the popular vote in 2016 every chud rambling about states rights would’ve done a complete about-face and become fervently in favor of eliminating it. since blumpf won both the popular vote and ec this time that line is going to be shelved for at least the next four years and you won’t really hear about it though.

its been this way forever. both sides do it when they lose/win.

nigga doesn’t know what a representative democracy is

Sure, but pretending it’s anything more than a nakedly partisan attempt to gain an advantage, like that the electoral college is a completely rational institution in modern america that somehow prevents a “tyranny of the majority” is

is insulting to one’s intelligence

accidentally hit post too soon lol

The EC is probably the only thing stopping America from balkanizing.

you’re a retarded idiot and not worth seriously engaging with

Whatever you say, retard. If you seriously think the the south and parts of the midwest would just roll over and let California and New York decide presidential elections for the rest of our history you're genuinely stupid.

The future possibility of being outvoted is the main reason secession happened in 1860.

1861* my bad

But trump won the popular vote this time. If anything the electoral college makes so a few millions Americans decide every election while parties don't even tries in solidly blue/red states

He's correct, as someone from NYC I do not want our corrupt cities on the east and west coast deciding absolutely everything in this country.
And I hope they deport enough people to remove dozens of your congressional seats.

One person one vote means only california and new york get a say

this is your brain on chuddery

founding father quote

completely retarded opinion

checks out

You fundamentally don't understand what the United States is. You, and your ilk, treat it as if its a unitary Westphalian republic when its actually a Philadelphian-style federation of unitary republics. The EC, and other methods of checks and balances, are meant to prevent it from becoming unitary. Removing the EC, or Senate, as some retards like you suggest simply invalidates the entire concept of federalism to begin with.

You are very stupid.

Sure, because the Dems were retarded and ran an Indian woman (lol). If they run someone like Gavin Newsom, they'll win again, and removing the EC just insures that over and over again.

This goes far beyond politics by the way. Retards like want to portray it as if its all (social) liberalism vs liberal conservatism but in reality it goes way deeper than that, many different regions of the U.S have fundamentally irreconcilable views on what it even means to be an American to begin with. Many interior states would sooner secede than let the California-New York understanding of America be the only valid one.

Yeah and that system made sense back in the fucking 18th century when the states were actually quite distinct cultural/economic entities. Nowadays they aren’t, which is why the system is so fucking dysfunctional. People like you who larp as if state distinctions actually mean ANYTHING in the 21st century are fucking retarded. At the very best you could say that there is a rural/urban nowadays, but even those interests aren’t adequately addressed in a system that still treats the primary difference between americans as that of the state they reside in.

No one is seceding from anything you delusional larper, also refer to

What if republicans had to actually try to win cities' votes and dems the ones from the countrysides? Wouldn't it be better and lead to less polarization instead of letting 7 states decide the outcome every time?

How about a Patton quote?

The United States is massive and hyper-diverse, and I don't just mean that in the cultural sense of the word. Different regions have fundamentally different economic interests and desires, something that benefits the West Coast doesn't always benefit the Northeast and vice versa. The Philadelphian federation system allows a sufficient level of decentralization that permits each state, and regions, to pursue their own interests dynamically rather than wholly competing for total control of the center. When you have large geographic distances like this, unitary republics don't work. The USSR was on paper federal, but it worked more like a unitary republic, and had major issues with regional favoritism from the center etc.

Also, suggesting state distinctions don't mean anything is truly stupid and shows you grew up in some cookie cutter suburb. I grew up in Northeastern Kentucky, trust me, visiting New York for the first time felt more foreign to me than when I visited Athenry in Ireland to meet my ex-gf. The extent to which homogenization is erasing these differences is a bad thing btw and should be combatted as best we can do so.

Polarization doesn't have anything to do with the EC, it mainly has to do with
1) the massive expansion of the federal government during the Cold War and shifting responsibilities and rights away from the states and toward the center,

and,

2) FPTP two party system that doesn't allow mulit-party politics to buttress the most successful political parties having to take immediately opposite views of the other party just to win votes

regions regions geography

grew up in Northeastern Kentucky, trust me, visiting New York for the first time felt more foreign to me than when I visited Athenry in Ireland to meet my ex-gf

As I said you dumb, stupid hick, the primary divide between americans nowadays is RURAL/URBAN, not state/state. A dumb lil chuddy like you from bumfuck kentucky has more or less the same opinions, interests, and voting preferences as a bumfuck upstate new yorker, and someone in NYC has more or less the same regarding someone in LA. These differences have nothing to do with the state they’re in, and everything to do with their lifestyle and how it relates to urban centers. The electoral college you so ardently defend is not designed to overweight the interests say of say, rural people; it only does that slightly and incidentally because the current swing states are somewhat more rural than the national average. And btw there is zero justification for overweighting the interests of a minority anyways other than the simple fact that you are or happen to support the views of this minority in particular. In the spirit of the so-called “republic” you love, perhaps we should give black people a 1.5x multiplier on their votes? Otherwise they would just secede and form their own country, and be completely justified in doing so, right? Lmfao

It does though. One half can pretend cities are demonic pedo cabals and the other view the countryside as racist retarded bumpkins with very little effect on their electoral performances

I said New York not New York City you blathering subhuman moron. Rural New York. Try better next time, sweetie.

same interests and voting preferences

Wrong and this hasn't ever been the case until maybe 10 years ago with deindustrialization. Politics aren't what you think they are.

Differences have nothing to do with the state they're in

Yes, they do. West Virginia is overwhelmingly rural but has a very different voting history from overwhelmingly rural Maine and overwhelmingly rural Arkansas too.

muh rural people EC whateverthefuck

The EC is designed so states can't totally dominate other states at the federal level. Removing it lets California and New York dominate other states. If Alabama and Mississippi were the largest states by population, the second the EC was removed the Northeast and West Coast would be out the door and form their own new nations and you know it.

In the spirit of the so-called “republic” you love, perhaps we should give black people a 1.5x multiplier on their votes?

Do black people constitute their own state? I wasn't aware we had removed the 14th Amendment and allowed states to pick and choose who they let be citizens.

If you went to rural new york and thought you were on a different planet to rural kentucky, you’re just a genuinely stupid person. This conversation is over, I accept your concession

Where did I say I thought I was on a different planet you slobbering autist? I said it seemed very different culturally. Which it was. Different religions, different ethnicities, different accent, different slang, different mannerisms.

Worry less about concessions and the internet and go concede your virginity instead, because its clear you need to get laid.

Ah yes clearly the results show that the country is split clearly on state by state lines, not rural/urban ones

b-b-but look at the exception that proves the rule

lmao. Low iq lil chuddy

Ah yes, clearly the results show the country is split on urban/rural lines and not state by state lines.

hinga-dinga-durgen I'm a dumbass

Yeah, using an example of rural states voting differently is dumb. Definitely. How did you get through grade school? Did they have to hold you back a few times? What was the short bus like?

Many interior states would sooner secede than let the California-New York understanding of America be the only valid one.

This is a retarded narrative that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Le big bad blue cities alone are outnumbered by the rest of America and a viable party if there was a popular vote for the President would still need a degree of rural and especially suburban appeal, not least because of the rural red voters in blue states that would suddenly be fundamental to win a election.
In 2020 Trump got its biggest raw vote amount in California and in both 2016 and 2024 it was the third biggest amount behind Texas and Florida.

Again, in a popular vote election for a single person every single vote counts and making inroads in the """opposite""" group is fundamental to win, it would objectively be a less disenfranchising system overall for electing the president. For electing the Congress the system you already have makes sense, your problem is that you are directly electing the president like you would elect the Congress.

1916

ah yes totally relevant to contemporary politics. this is what happens when you’re too stupid to read between the lines of what your talking heads propagandize and actually take it seriously, instead of recognizing it for what it actually is: justification for acquiring political power

true, why do you guys use it so much?

This assumes that going forward rural interests are going to always be aligned across regional lines, which historically was NEVER the case until about 15-20 years ago as a result of deindustrialization which is, at least possibly, going to be reversed over the next 10-20 years as the US. shores up its industrial capacity.

You only have to make inroads with groups that actually matter e.g the populated states. With the EC, at least South Dakota can act as a spoiler; without it, they'd be entirely irrelevant because the rural interests of Californians and Mainers would be more important electoral issues than those of Nebraskans.

hungarian

whiter than you ghengis

yawn, see

You'll wake up one day and all you will say is Republic! Republic!