Does your country follow the right denomination?

your point?

pic is my with libgen

That it shouldn't be taken seriously.

That feels like a very arbitrary reason not to take a religion seriously. Who gives a shit if it's a recently restored religion if it cearly helped give their country the large majority of their identity and spiritual guidance

Because it's quite literally sovlless. There's no continuity between the original believers and today's. You just have superficial "rites" (more like custom) with vague spirituality sprinkled in. The Japanese government even refused to claim Shinto was a religion when the US took over for a while, and said their rites were secular and just tradition. Because they wiped out its meaning when they destroyed thousands of Buddhist temples and forcefully separated Shinto into a new "religion".

It's just... boring, purely aesthetic, intellectually unstimulating.

If we're talking pure utilitarianism then Christianity has its flaws but it's still a much richer religion overall.

No. Most of my cunt is Prot retards

have you ever seen a japanese festival?

What about them? That they're not "boring"? I would hope a festival isn't.

What religion are you?

its the sort of thing that represents shintoism in japanese culture
combined with their actual practiced sprititual tradition of buddhism japanese religiosity is richer than christianity

That's the thing, it's been separated from Buddhism for centuries. You can try combining it now but it will never be the same cohesive religion it was before.
Festivals are not a signal of richness of religiosity but what questions it answers and perspectives it delivers. I don't care if Japanese festivals in anime look fun, they started worshipping penises in 1969 because they can literally do anything with such an empty religion. It's pure vibes.

Uhhh yeah I want kids really so there must be some fertility god I can call to... I know! I'll prop up a giant penis and hold a festival for it.

Your mind on Shinto. It's just a device for internal and external tourism and that's why it's dying. There's no universal truths to be found in it.

Yes. It's called Islam.

shinto

sovlless

I'm afraid that's just you. And who gives a shit if modern Shinto is superficial? If it can act as people's spiritual guidance and enrichen their culture then it works, and more so than christianity ever would. If Japan were christian then they'd have a much less distinguishable culture and be more similar to South Korea in that regard.
The argument of which one is "richer" is meaningless and not very convincing when you consider what their culture would've looked like without Shinto, superficial or not.

You can try combining it now but it will never be the same cohesive religion it was before.

Again, who gives a shit? It works perfectly fine as spiritual guidance and people practice it with heart.

I am a heretical monotheist because I have studied the Bible and the Quran.

Luce is NuChurch slop
Christ-Chan will always and forever be /our sister in christ/

Catholicism is sovlfvl though

shintoism is like local folk religion, its a lot of things, and very few people actually believe in it as a religion. it's aesthetic, but still has cultural impact like respecting the land
buddhism is what informs their entire culture like christianity in mexico for example
whats your example for a culture with rich christian tradition??

Christianity, Catholicism at least, is capable of absorbing and assimilating traditional practices without much issue. Catholic Koreans still practice traditional funeral rites for example. It's the more extreme Protestant sects that destroy cultures and force their own way on people.
So I don't think a Christian (at least Catholic) Japan would have been much different other than being less degenerate.
No one follows Shinto "with heart". It's there for tourism and tradition.

The majority of my country is non-religious, but it is more Protestant than catholic, although Catholicism is the largest single religious sect, followed by Anglicanism and Presbyterianism

It is but it basically homogenized the culture of an entire hemisphere. Which is why I'd say catholicism has been a net negative reagarding sovl and aesthetics

whats your example for a culture with rich christian tradition??

Mexico like you mentioned is a good example.

I've studied both too friend, I hope you find the right one. Personally I didn't get much out of my Quran.

and how is it less rich than japan? they both have a mix of a major and local tradition in the exact same manner

That’s true, imagine how kino it would be if Scandis still prayed to Odin, Italians prayed to Saturn, French still prayed to pedophilia, etc.

The major religion assimilated the local ones, while Shinto is supposed to be the major religion with nothing to back it.

French still prayed to pedophilia, etc.

KEK

how is it less rich doe you didnt answer. i think you are just yapping because you like christianity more

It also had a pretty metal side, with its bejewelled martyrs

Because it has no substance? It was artificially separated from Buddhism and turned into a series of political rituals as confessed by the Japanese themselves? I already said why it's a baseless religion.

A religion being universalist shouldn't be a problem unless you're racist and want to be special. Being compatible globally only attests to its truth.

That's a pretty rich statement given that we still practice Yuletide and Midsommar with a Protestant coat of paint.
The adoption of Christianity killed our native writing system, pagan symbols and rites that still could've existed today in a secular fashion. The same goes to many American countries, Ireland, the Philippines, Poland, and other catholic countries.
I agree that Protestantism is far more detrimental to native cultures than other demonimations, but I still think that cultures would be richer without global religions in the first place, and it's not like spiritual and moral guidance is lost with the adoption of global religions, so I really don't understand what native cultures gain by doing so.

when did this discussion start being solely about shinto?

I dislike northerners and all what they mean as people from an historical perspective.

zionism

rejection of Church history, dogmas and traditions

more zionism

an strong cultural and historical ignorance and stupidity

more and more zionism

liberalism and capitalism

even more zionism

50.000+ sects

yep, zionism

atheism and revival of death cults after butthurt for attacking Catholics worldwide and leaving the continent in the hands of their 50.000+ sects and jewish oligarchs

It is like Romans knew well what kind of stupid ppl barbarians were and how destructive they are.

The typical talking a lot people who irl know little.

The only Germans I save would be Austrians, Irish and Bavarians. All the others can fuck off.

They are the reason of why this continent is at the hands of a foreign power.

Being compatible globally only attests to its truth.

Any religion is "globally compatible" unless the religion strictly says that you cannot practice rites and rituals that do not belong to that religion. Not having that restriction doesn't attest to anything.

Tbf you adopted Christianity a lot earlier than the Japanese, while for a while the Portuguese were still debating whether assimilation of native customs was possible in Japan (eventually the Jesuits decided it was, the Franciscans and Dominicans disagreed and that caused a whole fiasco). So it really depends which Christian group took power. These debates were still hot until more recently than one might think.
Since the Swede brought up Shinto in contrast to Christianity?
But not many religions are universalist in the first place.

mf does my flag look like its swedish

Stop simping for Japan. It's kind of embarrassing.

Religion should only be about aesthetics and enriching native cultures

Nordic larpagan mindset.
People have to actually believe in a religion for it to be a religion.
Otherwise it's just meaningless rote ritual.

Soulless evangelicals are true believers and their entire religion is without an ounce of heart or spirit.

Irish

Germans

Heart and spirit are belief.
It's heart and spirit without aesthetics.
Just like larpaganism is aesthetics without spirit.
You need both.

japan is my wakanda

My point still stands regarding the adoption of global religions being a net negative for native cultures. Whether or not it happened late or early is irrelevant if you look at cultures in the new world and the philippines which were converted much later. Countries like Japan converting in modern times would still mean having them abandon their faith in their native religion which would inevitably lead to the death of Shinto as a whole. Nobody would ever practice Shinto in a secular manner to the degree they do today. Both Shinto and Buddhism would only be footnotes in Japanese culture while their rites and symbols get replaced with more homogenized, global ones. Any piece of contemporary art and media that Shinto and Buddhism have inspired would be the last of its kind as no one would have any sentimental connection to these beliefs anymore.

catholicism has been a net negative reagarding sovl and aesthetics

This a typo or are you seriously singling out Catholicism of all the main sects on aesthetic and soul?

Holy cope, the Renaissance alone proves you wrong here.

Otherwise it's just meaningless rote ritual.

Don't care. If it's sovlful and indistinguishable form other cultures then it's le good. Shinto also proves that neo-paganism can still have genuine believers, even if it's just a minority.

Nobody irl in this country believes in religion unless they're 70+ years old, brown, an immigrant, or an incel.
I can't take chuds online or foreigners who believe in superstition and supernatural bullshit seriously.
Grow the fuck up.

It's Catholicism or nothing at all.

Your country will also grow out of tribal bronze age superstitions once you become technologically advanced.
But keep LARPing and lying to yourself for now if it helps you cope with living in a third world jungle, I don't care.

see Not really. I mean there sure was an interest in pagan religions during that time but the fact that this interest died off around 300 years ago kind of proves my point. Your argument would have some substance if this interest grew and persisted into our era.

It didn't die, it just became normal. There's pagan influence in media everywhere, and that's fine.

right demonition

Lol

Jesus literally said in the Bible he will return in the lifetime of his disciples
But he never did.
So then shortly before they die of old age, they scramble to write down his teachings.

Christianity should've died out when his predicted return failed.
Instead the cope of forever shifting the arguements and claims of "it's not literal bro" began.

The Christian church has committed more child abuse and rape than any other group in existence. It's not even close.
Christianity exists to enforce the rule of the reactionary elites and to groom and rape kids.

Let's not even get into how they still now constantly invent new absurd schizophrenic doctrines such as Papal infallibility or Immaculate conception.
It's just like how in the past you could literally buy indulgences to guarantee a place in Heaven. What a joke.

Also Maryam was 14 when she gave birth to Yeshua.
Ask yourself of all people, why would Yahweh impregnate a literal 14 year old child?
That would make your God a paedophile, which actually explains the behaviour of priests a lot...

There's pagan influence in media everywhere, and that's fine.

The degree of this influence is miniscule compared to what could be if everyone just practiced their native religions. I'm still using Japan as a reference here.
If the pagan renaissance that you mentioned actually took off and continued growing then we would see far richer European cultures.

The good ones do

Hail Mary

We aren't polytheists btw

lmao

Catholic countries

good ones

Catholics don’t worship the Virgin Mary

Most Americans aren’t Catholic, I was pointing out that the best Christians in America are Catholics.

retard

You literally kneel at idols of her and Hail her name
That's worship. You're a polytheistic idol worshippers.
Getting mad and calling me insults for mentioning an extremely self-evident fact just makes your paedo cult look even worse.

The Christian church has committed more child abuse and rape than any other group in existence

Every priest that ever abused a little boy was a homosexual. Homosexuality is the problem not Christianity. You can see this cross culturally, homosexuals no matter what walk of life or race harm children.

Jesus literally said in the Bible he will return in the lifetime of his disciples

A classic nitpick, no one really knows the second coming of Christ as stated yet somehow he contradicts himself and announces it? It has been said over and over again that no one knows the day or hour.

The Christian church has committed more child abuse and rape than any other group in existence. It's not even close.

Christianity exists to enforce the rule of the reactionary elites and to groom and rape kids.

You are so filled with prejudice at something that make such extreme statements and accusations. what a moron. But let me tell you about what your country did to its colonies oh the murder and rape doesn't even compare to what you accuse to the church.

And what about the millions of little girls raped by priests too?
Your theory of blaming gays - instead of addressing the real problem, which is paedophilia and that Christianity is a paedo abuse cult - is fucking sick and evil.

Firstly, it's not required. Secondly, veneration is not the same thing as worship.

protestant churches headed by gays, trannies and feminists

mocking catholics

I haven’t insulted you, I just pointed out a simple fact - Catholics do not worship the Virgin Mary. Just because to your eyes, showing reverence is somehow tantamount to worship - this is not the case. As the mother of Jesus, it’s right to show her reverence and respect, and any image of her is holy in that it is used as a vehicle to worship God himself. It’s the same of any saints, actually. And the prayer “Hail Mary” is actually pretty self-evident.

Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

We don’t worship the Virgin Mary, we ask for her prayers to God on our behalf and show her the due respect of being the mother of Jesus.

A classic nitpick, no one really knows the second coming of Christ as stated

We do though. Jesus said clearly, repeatedly, in the Bible.
It would be before his initial disciples died.
He failed that prophecy.
Christianity had no reason to exist beyond the failure of that prophecy.
Unfortunately, people are retarded and will carry on the cult regardless.

no one knows the day or hour.

This doesn't contradict the above point. "Nobody knows when exactly, but it will before you die."

let me tell you about what your country did

What my country did, however evil, is an irrelevant whataboutism. Doesn't change the fact Christianity is the biggest paedo rape gang in the world.

catholic churches headed by-

oof wait I don't think I'm allowed to say that

Which millions of little girls? Do you have an actual statistic for that statement? I actually do have the data on sexual abuse by Christian priests, and it’s overwhelmingly upon adolescent boys. Maybe don’t be so histrionic if you want to appear to have the moral high ground.

Mother of God

If God is the first cause it's impossible for him to have a Mother, unless God is more than one persons, which would then be polytheism.

If I said Hail Zeus, while kneeling before an alter to Zeus, wouldn't that be worship of that God?
No amount of sophistry changes the material fact that the act of polytheistic idol worship is evident to everyone who hasn't been indoctrinated into your theology to ignore their eyes.
Protestants are as bad as Catholics in their own ways.
All religion is equally false, without evidence, a source of intellectual and emotional retardation, a cause of psychosis.
Nobody native to Western/ Northern Europe under 70 believes in God, apart from a few fringe would be school shooters.

don't look up luke 1:28

The rape you did to your colonies are backed up by actual evidences meanwhile you accusations did happen but not on the scale that you make it out to be.

whataboutism

Doesn't change the fact Christianity is the biggest paedo rape gang in the world.

no evidence that it is the biggest

moron.

If I pray that you won't get hit by a car tomorrow, does that mean I worship you?

the world isn't ready to know the sexuality of those priests who actually touched little boys.

VGH I wish I could have as much culture as Sweden!! I can only dream such cultural output....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country
Every country the Church goes to, it rapes thousand of young boys and girls.
Millions of boys and girls raped by priests.
You are trying to convince yourself that the facts of Catholicism being a paedophilic organisation isn't true by shifting the blame onto another group, in this case the gays.

That Christianity rapes millions of kids is well attested. If you will ignore well documented facts there's no point engaging with you.
Just more evidence religious people hate reality and escape into the fantasy world world of their mythology book to cope.

Praying for something isn't the same as praying to someone.
You aren't praying to me when you make a prayer that I don't get hit by a car. But you are praying to Mary. That's polytheism and no sophistry changes that.
It's impossible to interpret it as anything other than polytheism when you pray to someone besides God.

That Christianity rapes millions of kids is well attested

Smartest British scholar

Jesus literally said in the Bible he will return in the lifetime of his disciples

But he never did.

He said he would show some of them. It's referring to the transfiguration in which He did just show some of them.

name one Italian vidya, chart-sweeping songwriter, furniture store, and contribution to chemistry and biology,

The Hail Mary is a prayer for us. This is easily Googleable information.

Atheism is a kind of religion
The Japanese are not believers in atheism

who hasn't been indoctrinated into your theology to ignore their eyes

We have a fundamental disagreement here then. If I saw you kneeling before an altar of Zeus saying hail Zeus, I wouldn’t presume to know what that really means since I’m not personally a pagan. That’s the real difference here, you claim factual authority over something you don’t fully understand based on cursory knowledge. That’s not only ignorance, it’s hubris.

Mary gave birth to Jesus. He was both God’s Son (John 3:16) and God Himself, God in human flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). He was fully man, but He was also fully God (Colossians 2:9). The concept of the Holy Trinity is from this. This doesn’t imply polytheism of any kind since God was not more than one person, God revealed Himself to us in three ways, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each has a separate function, and yet they are all united as one God.

That's simply a lie and copium invented after the fact to work around the failure of a prophecy that needed to come true for theological purposes.
Read Mark 9:1, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27.
It was never fulfilled. The whole thing is very clearly supposed to be on the scale of months or a couple years, not millennia.
The fact people still believed Christianity after such a critical failure, that people still believe today, really is a stunning display of how incredibly stupid most people are, or at least how ordinary people can be indoctrinated into becoming stupid.

Not only are most of these cases about boys, I’m halfway through and these cases combined aren’t even close to hundreds let alone millions. It’s pretty flimsy evidence for your claim that millions of little girls were raped and that the amount of sexual abuse hasn’t been overwhelmingly done to young boys.

Okay, who are you praying to when you do a hail Mary?
Are you praying to God? Or to somebody else?

I just have problems with the things you are saying you keep mentioning "Christianity did x" meanwhile all of it were priests acting on their own and none of them stayed in their station they were all removed and charged.
By that logic i should also be able to call Britain the biggest empire of murderers and rapers but that wouldn't be right as we all know that there are always bad apples in the basket.

first of all you said that the Church was pinning it all on gay people? but there were right the number one problem most of the time is homosexuality. some higher ups in the Church back then said that those individuals who are homosexual should be removed.
homos are the root cause first of all.

This argument is lame and childish and you're all stupid.

it is a mediatory prayer. praying for each other is core Christianity.

Read Mark 9:1, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27.

The transfiguration is literally right after that.

That's simply a lie

Now THAT is cope and dishonest.

Again, prayer is not worship. Don't know how many times I need to say this.

NO YOU ARE

Stop blaming gays please it's wrong and an easy cop-out. The real problem is systemic.

As a non-Christian, what puzzles me about Christianity is the absolutism of the Bible.
It is the Church that has established the Bible as the Bible.
Why, when historically the authority of the Church was denied, was the authority of the Bible not also denied?
The Bible has two stories about the birth of man.
It also has four stories about Jesus.
All theological propositions consist in quoting the biblical statements that justify them and ignoring those that deny them.

As a non-Christian, what puzzles me about Christianity is the absolutism of the Bible.

It is the Church that has established the Bible as the Bible.

Why, when historically the authority of the Church was denied, was the authority of the Bible not also denied?

See that's why Protestantism makes little sense.

It's not a cop-out, they have been talking in banning homosexuals in the church because they realized what the root problem was.

It's because Protestants are actually fucking retarded and cannot understand nuance.

Protestants KEK

It's a mistake, if a homosexual decides to become a priest and suppress his urges the same way a straight celibate priest would, he should be able to. I'm just not chuddy enough to see a solution here.

i've honestly not looked into vatican 2 because i know it would be too damaging to the tradcath gigachuds here on Anon Babble, but i'm pretty sure the current weird thirdie "white southern cone" cope dictated that both atheists and jews no longer go to hell?

how did he strike that bargain with god, anyway?
or, is he God? I never really understood that part of your belief structure.

btw this post contains sins such as "you're actually just protestants too because you dislike the church which legally and ethnically binds you to every word they say which makes you a heretic to them".

you must pay 99 currency units to your local papacy as repentance fees

ethically, not ethnically*
we wont talk about the ethnic makeup of the church that a bunch of massive internet racist would-be n***s from brazil, argentina and elsewhere ignore as they proclaim themselves the one true christians while calling people racial slurs.

s/cope/pope/

weird guy that argie.. i respected catholics a LOT more when the polish lad was in charge honestly

Yeah you can't be a Christian and a chud
I mostly like the Argie

The Bible has two stories about the birth of man

To preface - The Bible is a composite of many different books and manuscripts, composed by various people at different times, many who never met (40 authors over 1500 years). There are many overlaps and references to events that occurred from several accounts through the Bible. With Genesis, however God creating man on the sixth day (Genesis 1-2) is followed by a more detailed account of the creation of Adam and Eve by God on the sixth day (Genesis 2:4-25), these events are not anachronistic or two separate creation stories.

It also has four stories about Jesus.

This comes back to the initial point that the Bible was written by various people, as evidenced by the books of John, Mark, Matthew and Luke. This article here describes the narrative inconsistencies you are alluding to in these books about the birth of Jesus in much more detail.

tyndalehouse.com/explore/articles/why-are-jesus-birth-stories-different/

All theological propositions consist in quoting the biblical statements that justify them and ignoring those that deny them.

That’s what you can expect from religious debates over the internet by people who don’t genuinely study the resources at hand and instead denature quotes into simple platitudes. There are few outright contradictions in the Bible, across that many books and nearly two millennia, but they’re worth having a discussion about. Which isn’t actually just some small feat to do, people have been debating these exact same things for almost 2000 years and priests are meant to take philosophy and ethics classes alongside theology before they even go to seminary.