Am I the only person who thinks modern warfare is completely evil...

It is pure evil. We are paying for it with our taxes. I didn't consent to it.

Why do you need war slaves to defend yourself? Why doesn't Zelenskyy and the other oligarchs go to the frontlines themselves rather than hiding in their shelters?

As opposed to what? Just let Russia invade, take over and do whatever they want to your country?

You’re an absolute braindead cretin with 0 capability of critical thought. You are lower in intellectual capacity than a goldfish.

How is that any different from being a boy and being sent to the literal medieval meatgrinder where they pierce and slash your meat with various blades. War is always evil. There's no difference.

Nukes ended modern wars, now great powers are afraid to fight one another because of MAD

Cheap drones are the next evolution, imagine how many RussianAnons here who ended up in a Ukrainian drone video?

This beats being tortured, crippled, and raped when you get caught as a POW

They're at risk of that happening to them BECAUSE they're kidnapped from the streets of Kyiv or Odessa and sent to the frontlines to fight the evil Russian military.

A nation that uses war slaves to defend itself is not much better than its aggressor. If the Ukrainians want their independence then they would all voluntarily sign up to fight the Russian military, so why they need for kidnapping and war slavery?

This. The word democracy is just laughable to me now. Politicians dont give a fuck what the people want.

*why the "need" for kidnapping

kings and rulers

Go to war because they're too incompetent to resolve things for state's benefit without a war

but sometimes they had lead the troops

Ok and? This only says they're schizo zealots in one way or another

based on skill

lmao it's the same roulette as before, you rely on commanders being competent because you're playing danmaku against countless arrows and thrown spears
Skill was mostly relevant to survival only for designated duels

War was always shit, it's actually less shittier nowadays

Just take a minute to read your own post, thirdie

reminder that by the end of ww2, half of german men were either dead or disabled for life

What does it matter which corrupt oligarchy rules over your shithole?

Both nations are using mobilization, funny how you only focus on the “war slaves” of one side

Both Putin and Zelensky are evil. So are our British politicians. Old men always want young men to die for them.

People without mental illness would prefer the one that doesn't have gay rape culture

Britain isn't a third-world country.
Are the Russians torturing Ukrainian men in Lviv and Kyiv, or on the frontlines where Zelenskyy kidnapped and sent them?

Boris Johnson had the opportunity to enact a ceasefire, and he sabotaged it. He's an evil nonce too. May they all burn in hell.

Yeah, and then there's additionally evil cattle that'd be all lowlife prison cult gays even without an evil leader

Like most Britroaches, you're nothing more than a dog of Muslims. You labor to support them with taxes while they rape your children

They don't give a shit. They hate us. We have nobody fighting in our corner.

So there’s no need for Putin to be murdering Ukrainians in the first place, and demolishing entire towns and cities and calling it “liberation” if it doesn’t matter which side controls it, right?

(You)

Both nations are using mobilization,

I never said Russia was a good country either, Russia is obviously an aggressive, authoritarian dictatorship

this is why nobody cares about 50,000 dead pali kids. only white lives matter. imagine getting your shit kicked in by the chinese, and a bunch of jewish yentas lol. muzzies are pussies they're all bark and no bite.

And stopping them from steamrolling your country is bad because why? Because of a lack of consent from the mobilized? Wow I guess somebody should’ve asked for the Ukrainians consent to be invaded in the first place

It's not even like in the old days where kings or rulers had to lead their men into battle and you had to fight other seasoned fighters to the death with a sword based on skill

Idk ancient warfare sounds terrifying in its own way. Imagine a bunch cavalry charging towards you while you're on foot
The aesthetics are so radically different it's easy to romanticize it, but some dude in armor rushing towards you with a pointy stick would be horrifying

Did I not just say what Putin did is evil? Point is our countries literally go to war on behalf of oil and artillery companies. Civilians are just caught in the middle.

They might pretend its about human lives or morality, but at the end of the day its not, they just want money. Our politicians would murder every single one of us if it meant another million in their offshore account.

You're correct, both are gorey and awful, but its just dystopian that some obese neckbeard can operate a drone remotely and blow your head off, then sell the video to weirdos on telegram.

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muh both sides r bad

I’m not sure if you’re arguing in bad faith or you are just retarded, but whatever money the Western MIC is making right now is being enabled by what Putin did. He’s a stark reminder of why we have an MIC or military at all, and he would’ve kept going past Ukraine if we didn’t have such a strong military industrial base to supply both ourselves and the Ukrainians with.

If I were to die for some shit bullshit war I'd care little if the king fought besides me desu and you can be sure kings and generals rarely took the same risks as some random nameless grunt seen as nothing more than meat for the meat grinder.

Yeah it's fucked. I think that level of detachment is really weird to me like killing someone from a distance while you're sitting in your chair chilling like it's a videogame.
that completely detached aspect is what makes it imo messed up in a way older warfare wasn't it's not personal you aren't seeing the person right in front

And stopping them from steamrolling your country is bad because why? Because of a lack of consent from the mobilized?

"Mobilisation" is a euphemism for slavery. Some of the Ukrainian conscripts preffer living under Russian occupation than dying in a trench, so why should they die for the political aims of Zelenskyy and his oligarchs? If Zelenskyy wants to fight the Russian military he should be the first one to go over the top from the trenches, not to enslave other men.
Yes.

nta but you fucking ameriniggers caused this entire thing to happen in the first place, lower your tone when you speak to europeans

Ukraine doesn't?

Funny how you never made this argument about Putin, the guy who instigated this entire thing. Why shouldn’t he be dying in a trench?

The Ukrainians don’t want the Russians there. Simple as.

What, you're disappointed?

Point is that if leaders want to go to war they should risk their lives directly for the cause. If not, it will maybe make them think twice before starting shit. There's no honour in modern warfare, glory is of no use to the dead.

both sides are bad

Yes. One is offensive, one is defensive. They're still sending their young men to the slaughterhouse for an oil based war.

Zelensky is not even that old. Not clear to me why he believed until the last minutes that Russia will not invade

whatever money the Western MIC is making right now is being enabled by what Putin did.

So what? It takes two to tango. And our leaders want to keep the tango going

It's not even like in the old days where kings or rulers had to lead their men into battle

Don't lose hope, anon. A true king will lead his men into battle, no matter the terms.

No we didn’t, Putin was building his war chest and moving military units and constructing fortifications along the Ukrainian border for 8 years prior to this happening. He used some bullshit excuses as casus belli to do what he wanted to do for years and blamed it on the West not providing a guarantee that Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO. Fact is that Ukraine didn’t even QUALIFY to join NATO due to them having contested territory.

lead their men into battle and you had to fight other seasoned fighters to the death with a sword based on skill

No, you would be rounded up with other peasants and get thrown against fully armored gigachad knights who have been training to fight their entire lives.

Everyone knew was Russia is going to invade. We knew Russia was going to invade before Zelensky did. Bald and Bankrupt was in Kiev 2 days before the war broke out, and leaving because he heard from the British news that Russia was about to invade. He went around asking the Ukrainians what their plans were, and all of them said 'They won't invade.' They weren't given any warning by their government despite the US and UK repeatedly telling them it was about to happen. Again, innocent civilians paying for something they never asked for.

Do you serioulsy think kings and nobles are something more than oligarchs? Do you think they cared about peasants?

That’s not at all what happened lmfao. They were aware of the Western intelligence nust like everyone else was. Westerners took it seriously, and they didn’t for whatever reason.

Go watch the video then. Most Ukrainians had absolutely no idea what was going to go down, they didn't 'choose' to ignore it.

If you have to fight alongside your men and risk your life, then you're probably only going to wage war when it's necessary. It's easy for bureaucrat manlet mummys boys in suits to larp as tough guys when their life isnt in immediate danger.

They all heard the reports but blew it off because most of them didn’t think he was insane enough to actually invade and was just bluffing. I’ve listened to plenty of Ukrainians talk about the lead up to it.

People killed people aplenty I'm the past, without much remorse too and just as brutally if not more.
The only thing the drone operator is missing is the trauma that comes with becoming a mass murderer when directly, physically killing someone, maybe it's true also when killing with guns compared to having to stab or bonk someone, obviously though in completely different magnitudes, since shooting is often very physical too.
In the end the result for the recipient is the same either way
The droning puts the soldier and us, the spectators, on a very similar position, one of a voyeuristic nature, without consequences and artificial, just pure entertainment.
I don't blame Zelensky, a head of state when his nation is being invaded can't put themselves at risks, simply because if he died the whole system would likely collapse.
But I also understand that if your a random grunt that don't wanna die it matters little about muh country and muh principles, maybe of somebody else.

Do you think they cared about peasants?

feudal system meant peasants were tied to lords in a relationship that went both ways. It was still based around the peasants subservience to the Lord but I don't think they were all completely indifferent to peasants well being

If you have to fight alongside your men and risk your life,

Maybe because they would die if their oligarch enterprise collapsed
Maybe because nobles would betray, and peasants desert any moment unsupervised
Maybe because weapons were not developed enough to kill generals guarded a few hundred meters behind the front
Tons of Russian generals died in the front the first week of war too

I've watched it. The people literally just chose to ignore the warnings, just like bald & bankrupt himself. They didn't believe it. He didn't believe it.

Stop lying, it's unbecoming of you--You're not a russian.

Most peasants werent even allowed to own swords lol. Knights, at least in western Europe, were usually older, very fit guys with a lot of experience in combat.

Funnily enough Zelensky was the pro russian presidential choice and in the days before the invasion he did things to obstruct the ukrainian army from properly responding. He also tried to move artillery away from hostomel but Budanov stopped him.
Its clear that he wanted a fast win and then he would have lead Ukraine as Putin's puppet. However the ukrainians didnt want it and went to war anyway, in some situations they didnt even listen to his orders

They had to care somewhat, contrary to now, back then a peasants revolts meant very real and possibly deadly consequences for the nobleman or king in command.
The balance of power back then was not at all as imbalanced as it is today, quite ironically I might add.
Systems of power now days are completely isolated from the riff raff

Tactics to cause outbreaks of disease, starvation, and fire have been around for millennia. Like old time soldiers catapulting corpses and whatnot into settlements.

People killed people aplenty I'm the past, without much remorse too and just as brutally if not more

I'm not romanticizing past warfare. it was also brutal. I just meant that modern warfare is uniquely detached and impersonal. Seeing a person from way above you can't really see the person as a person
There's a flip side to that though I suppose as it probably makes things easier, psychologically, and in some ways better. If I had to choose between killing a person up close or at a distance looking through a camera, the latter would be a lot easier

Systems of power now days are completely isolated from the riff raff

This, and its not natural or healthy.

VGH did he promise to give me 2 breads and porridge per day my lord cares about me so much OMG

He also didn’t take reports of the impending invasion too seriously. You can blame him for that, but as for instigating the conflict, you have to do gold medal tier mental gymnastics. Ukraine didn’t qualify to join NATO nor was it ever given an action plan. The US started honoring the Budapest memorandum that it signed after Putin decided to bite chunks of their territory off. The rest is history.

Sounds fucked. It's funny how feminist our governments really are, they really love to drive home that idea of male disposability.

What do you want him to do, read you a bedtime story and tuck you in at night?

Didn't realize the thousands of grunts holding shields with cotton armor getting charged at by heavy calvary were knights

and they're so powerful they can easily manipulate us to make us hate imaginary enemies instead of them. it's over

The state was so extremely decentralized that it was arguably more democratic. I was reading this document from the middle aged the other day describing how peasants took some random noble captive and then matched to the king of England to make their demands heard
Kind of crazy to think about compared to today where billionaires and other important figures have so much private security it's basically impossible for the mob or any person to get close to them unless the person wants them to

Yeah. It's hard to believe how extremely blue-eyed they were about the russian threat all the way to 2022. FFS they had been literally at war with Russia for years at that point.

But the other side would have thousands of grunts too, no? So its just a peasant grunt vs peasant grunt war in that case. Also depends which battle you are talking about. Some battles were won through longbowmen, others through the sword, others by catapults and sieges etc.

This. Democracy is an absolute joke term now. We have absolutely no control. 'A King's Ransom' comes from the days where kings actually were kidnapped and help for ransom. Imagine that happening now LMAO.

Held for**

Also just bear in mind how much more common it was for leaders to be assassinated back in the day, even if it was often by their political rivals.

Civilians always pay the price for evil men.

I don't think they were getting allotments of bread. Sounds like a modern day wagie projecting his own experience
they would've grown most of their own food

VGH how wholesome

inb4 doesn't count because not medieval and most weren't peasants

At least nowadays when you get hit by a bullet they treat you instead of leaving you to rot on the fields

Medieval peasants had better lives than us

Depends on what era, what region, in the Roman Republic conscripts paid for their own equipment which is the epitome of getting cucked

Catholic Feudalism was unironically the best system.

If youre a peasant you get your own plot of land separate from the lords to do with as you wish on your days off [See: You get every Sunday of the year off + the feasts of the saints + other holidays = 215 free days a year]

If youre a lord / noble you get a guaranteed levy of food to feed your entire family + all the workers inside your castle.

If you work for the nobles/lords as a knight and / or some sort of Ad-Hoc position you basically have a job for life + land of your own when you retire if youre a knight.

Were you born physically or (obviously) neurologically fucked up? Or maybe your just a huge pussy that doesn't want to get his hands dirty? Well that's okay! Just go to a monastery or the monastery's poor house and break stone or work on the vegetable garden after mass.

Paradoxically this also probably means you'll be one of the only fuckers in the area that can read. (Also if you REALLY luck out and live in the Benelux you just get to drink alcohol and get pissed all day)

If you hate all of the above you can just wander off to Venice or Hamburg and become a city slicker, a panhandler, a mystic, fortune teller, a musician, or some kind of 'Merchant' I guess.

Well one of the advantages of today's western governments is that due their nature of almost super organisms, detached from single individuals, the so called deep state i suppose, dictatorial figures like Hitler are extremely unlikely, since one individual person will never be able to hold much power.
All the dystopian measures we've seen in the last 20 years, like the Patriot act and the likes, have always had the nature of an impersonal state controlling the cattle more than the ramblings of one despot.

It's not even like in the old days where kings or rulers had to lead their men into battle

never happened, in 99% of cases they sat in the back overseeing everything if they were present at all

and you had to fight other seasoned fighters to the death with a sword based on skill.

the overwhelming majority of fighters in all wars in all history were conscripted/forced in some way or had some threat to their wellbeing if they didnt join the army.
almost no one fought with swords other than maybe the romans that had their shieldmaxxing thing most armies in all of human history were peasents conscripted and given some kind of a cheap spear

I enjoy your insights Italiabro.

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Funny how you never made this argument about Putin, the guy who instigated this entire thing. Why shouldn’t he be dying in a trench?

He should you fucking retard, you can't just excuse Ukraine treating its own citizens badly as "B-but Putin!".

If the Ukrainians don't want the Russian military in Ukraine then WHY is there a need for conscription? Why isn't the Ukrainian military volunteers only?

Do you think you van just abandon your morals just because your opponent is evil?

Literally the most patriotic and heroic thing you can do as a man is to die for your country's politicians.

they were forced

Thats not exactly true. Peasants would have incentive to defend their land because they quite literally lived off that land and their plot was their entire livelihood.

Will you die for Trudeau and New Jeetistan?

I hate the current zeitgeist where if you don't agree with the current point on warfare, then you're "supporting" the enemy.

No, I don't care about ANY war at all, I'm not picking sides. Just like how I don't care about the current slavshit war right now, I don't care about the niggershit wars happening in Africa, like you. I shouldn't "care" about this one because the people happen to have similar skin colour as I do.

All I want if for this shit to be over, no matter how it's done, so I will stop hearing about it. And also to make my life comfier. Yeah, I don't care about how many people die so my loaf of bread can cost 20 cents cheaper.

Least solipsistic brown.

Why haven't you donated to whoever side you're rooting for in this war yet? Why haven't you volunteered to go overseas to fight for "the good guys"? Go to Africa and campaign to end the niggerwars.

Why not?

Let me give you an analogy since you retards love analogies.
You work for a company. The company was assigned you at birth and you can't leave nor retire. The company is owned by a family of rich people who are interconnected to each other. In return for protection from armed gangs who raid and rape everyone, you pay half of your tiny wage as taxes to the corporate. You CAN run away, technically, but will be beheaded. Your company CEO got in a dispute over factories rights with his brother, causing a war. They promise you they'll give double your regular wages IF the war is successful. They lease you a shitty Garand and no helmet and feed you nothing but canned food.
Sounds lovely, doesn't it?

I hate pacifists so much

"Don't enslave people" is not a pacifist view. If you want to fight then go ahead, but if you want to sit in your comfy shelter while forcing other men to do your fighting then you're evil.

Why arent you fighting then? You're sitting in your comfy house shitposting safely on your pc like a proper mummys boy.

Modern warfare is way more humane and civilized compared to traditional warfare.

t. Uhilyant-syobok

Am I the only person who thinks modern warfare is completely evil?

yes you're the only one, no one else thinks that

yeah no, not dying for JWO, sorry bub xx

Because NATO involvement would start WW3.
Do you want Putin and Zelensky to grab a gun and join the fight?
Btw Russia could at any point just stop this war without losing any russian lands or having any negative consequences for them. It is them who statted this war and it is them who choose to continue it.

war has always sucked ass, you think getting cut in two by a broadsword was so much better than getting droned?

Do you want Putin and Zelensky to grab a gun and join the fight?

yes lol

The Ukrainians don’t want the Russians there. Simple as.

The US is encouraging Ukraine to fight to the last man to destabilize Russia. This shit has nothing to do with freedom or autonomy or any rosy ideal. The US props up and supports dictatorships when it's convenient for them. Mark my words, Ukraine is done as a nation. Russia isn't too far behind but they're still leagues ahead of them.

Do you want Putin and Zelensky to grab a gun and join the fight?

Yes.

Russia could at any point just stop this war without losing any russian lands or having any negative consequences for them. It is them who statted this war and it is them who choose to continue it.

And its the Ukrainian government who chose to enslave their own citizens and throw them into the frontlines. Will you excuse any evil just because Putin is also evil?

Warfare has always been horrific, but at least before your skill at combat actually mattered. You had a chance to see the enemy and fight them with your strength and reflexes on as equal ground as can be reasonably expected. A man with a sword is a warrior, facing his opponent head on and looking him in the eyes. In modern war your death is more or less random... determined by walking down a hallway at the wrong time, or what drones happen to be flying overhead, or were the mortar shell lands. You can die at pretty much any time, completely unceremoniously. It' unnatural, terrific in its noise and scale. Strange machines and weapons perfected by generations of warfare, so that the mere infantrymen become like bugs fighting at the feet of giants.

The second problem with modern war is that the wrong men survives. It is the war of a hunter- stalking, waiting, choosing the best time to strike from a hidden position. There is little honor in it. War should reward the best and bravest warriors, not those who let other charge ahead

ukrainians are fighting to not get conscripted by putin to conquer moldova and the baltics
russians are fighting against uhh trannies or something?
If you want to see how ukrainians are treated under russians see how many donbass separatists got killed during the first months of the war, the parts conquered by russians got depopulated and the men replaced with chechens and other churkas (the whitest russians)

This shit has nothing to do with freedom or autonomy or any rosy ideal. The US props up and supports dictatorships when it's convenient for them.

This. The US supported the Turkistan Islamic Party, an Islamic militant organisation, and for a long time refused to recognise them as a terror group, even though pretty much every other country in the world has.

The US supported Uyghur jihadis in China and the CIA even helped train them in Afghanistan, all because it meant destabilising the China who is naturally America's political enemy.
Then when China started securing its borders with Afghanistan and cracking down on Islamic extremism, America left all their Muslim 'allies' and footsoldiers to rot for years in detention camps and didn't do shit except cry crocodile tears in congress about the genocide to increase sanctions against China and turn the public against them more.
It was never about people or honour, it's only about maintaining political hegemony, and everyone is just a pawn, they couldnt care less how many people die or suffer as long as it furthers their agenda.