Whos more obsessed with the other? Who causes more butthurt to the other?

Erdogan is so Trump coded it's unreal. Along with the Belarussian guy, great meme lords.

my dad watches subtitled videos of this Greek guy talking about how strong and dangerous the Turkish army is every day

Literally the Jew reading Arab newspaper joke

to be fair, they probably don't know how retarded and contradictory his speeches are since they only care about the ones talking about their countries

The losers of wars are usually more obsessed, so Greece

We never do albeit, I think he rules Turkey with fair and iron fist. All the cuck Turks that badmouth him are sissies.
Whenever I hear some Turk badmouth him I have this urge to inform Turkish special services so they can arrest and gulag him sadly I don’t know their number otherwise I would’ve snitched on every single Turkoid that badmouths Erdochad.
Truly what a sad state of affairs…

He's a literal corrupt retard that has tanked the economy and made everything extremely expensive.

of course you love the Georgian ruining our country

uhh hello moshi moshi putin-san? i just happened to see a georgian criticizing russia's intervention in georgia. can you pick him up?

Greeks, easily
but Turks on the other hand kinda deserve it because Turks literally deny every single bad thing they've done and call everyone racist

Mehmed is working hard in this thread. Enjoy your Zimbabwean economy thirdies!!
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kek

Turks literally deny every single bad thing they've done

at the same time we're very proud of them

its this really annoying attitude where its just lies depending on the situation and there is this jeet-tier behaviour especially in the internet
that said most Turks I've met in real life are normal people (one of my family friend is married to Turkish man), though naturally I do not discuss politics and especially their politics

Turk girl thread?

People say shit like that because it's the easiest way to make retards fuck off

Only when I grew up did I realize the average turk had nothing to do with massacres carried out in the name of Ottoman Empire or Turkey. At least here most massacres were commited by Circassians or Pomaks (ethnic Bulgarian muslims) or other Balkan muslims in irregular armies. The regular turkish army which consisted of only ethnic Turks did not commit war crimes and only fought armed combatants.
Bulgarian turks are pretty chill and stick mostly to themselves.

I dont think its retarded to be nice towards your neighbours that you previously werent
the behaviour seems very imperialistic honestly. At the same time, Turkey wants to be closer to Europe apparently, or at least is very offended that it isnt getting into those tables but there is clear reason and its not racial or religious question

Only when I grew up did I realize the average turk had nothing to do with massacres carried out in the name of Ottoman Empire or Turkey.

when you proudly stand behind the history of the Turkish state (not just Ottoman) that did bad things, this question is meaningless. It is most likely true that many leaders were very disconnected from the general populance, some even ethnically but that doesnt really mean shit

the question of ethnicity in Turkey is also kinda problematic. The same kinda discussion can be openly had with some Finnic-Russian populations today and during the war.

We’re team China now, we can say bad things about both globohomo and gulaghomo as much as we want and get away with it.
I welcome our new overlords as nobody gives a rats ass about Taiwan here it can sink in the sea for all I care.

I don't blame, must hurt like shit being born outside the first world, have a mutilated dick and on top of that have to be constantly reminded how great Greeks and Greece are through all the media and civilization etc. while the only thing you're mentioned in is atrocities like genocides and stuff.

I dont think its retarded to be nice towards your neighbours that you previously werent

What do you mean? I was talking about bragging about genocides and the like, when people are harassing you over that bullshit just lobbing a random word or two instantly shuts them up.

there is clear reason and its not racial or religious question

It's clearly just a religious question that eventually evolved into a vague "no Turks allowed" policy. The average Turk is a pure blooded med evropean bvll until it's revealed to the people around him that he's not Italian/Greek/etc but a Turk.

when you proudly stand behind the history of the Turkish state (not just Ottoman)

Obviously, what else would I do? Should I hate myself and my history because of one or two bad things? If so then forget genocide or whatever, I would have killed myself over Ottoman economic capitulations over a decade ago.

Turks want to kill christian Europe like they did with Armenia. Roaches need to die t. not that other faget

it's kinda like the jeets when they first came in touch with the internet and show how the world views them and went bananas.

same with turkjeets, they even trying to enforce people to call their country turkiye hahahaha
no wonder they had twitter youtube and fb banned for years

I don't blame them must hurt like ass being born short brown hairy, on top of that have part of your dick cut off. AND on top of that have to be constantly reminded of how great Greece and white man's ivilization is while you're only mentioned in acts of genocides and trying to destroy modern world in the name of allah.

I feel for the turkish brothah

It's clearly just a religious question that eventually evolved into a vague "no Turks allowed" policy. The average Turk is a pure blooded med evropean bvll until it's revealed to the people around him that he's not Italian/Greek/etc but a Turk.

no its not. People here started to become way less tolerant of Turkey when Erdogan took office. The one that broke camels back was the whole Dutch nazi thing. In Finland people discussed it like new Russia has surfaced in Europe

Obviously, what else would I do? Should I hate myself and my history because of one or two bad things? If so then forget genocide or whatever, I would have killed myself over Ottoman economic capitulations over a decade ago.

no one said you need to be ashamed of your history. There is more to your history than genocides, or at least I would like for you to think that

the "turks" you've met that said that are more than likely kurds larping as turks in west europe

or let call it what it is. When Turkey became presidential country again. That is when shit happened
and most Turks think that was a good thing and it was basically a question of becoming USA proxy or independent so yeah.

Damn yo was it Kurds who genocided Christian Armenia? All this time and I had no idea

All I did was state facts that historical losers of wars are more obsessed over history. This is true, internationally

KEK
GUYS YOU DON'T GET HOW FUNNY THIS IS
I CLICKED FROM THE CATALOG WITHOUT SEEING THE OP FLAG
AND I WAS GOING TO POST
"ITALY JOINS THE FRAY!"
AND GUESS WHAT OP FLAG I SEE FOR THIS VERY TOPIC

ethnic turks isn't really a thing desu because in the Ottoman Empire most people who converted to Islam were just called Turks
but the whole Balkan War was a mess and there were terrible atrocities committed by everyone involved, you won't find many people here who'd try to defend that. Most people's reaction will be "yeah war sucks, glad we're over that now". Most people here also consider the Balkaners as our brothers which from what I've seen makes some Balkaners very angry

What about the armenian genocide? Glad you're over that now?

ethnic turks isn't really a thing desu because in the Ottoman Empire most people who converted to Islam were just called Turks

they were just called muslim there wasn't an ethnic distinction in ottoman records, if you spoke turkish then you were turkish because no one taught turkish language to converts they just kept speaking their mother tongue unti dissolution of the empire

the whole Ataturk cult is creepy and really jeetish honestly

The whole "please call us Türkiye now" campaign? Peak rebrand energy. It’s like when someone changes their Xbox Live name hoping their KD ratio will also magically improve. You can’t help but notice the irony — a country that had Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook on lockdown for years now trying to curate its global image through the same platforms.

And, I mean… imagine being born into that particular lottery: vertically challenged, ethnically spicy, body hair levels set to extreme, and on top of it all, an involuntary circumcision speedrun as a rite of passage. Then you grow up constantly hearing about how glorious Greece was, how majestic the white empires were, and your culture mostly gets a shoutout in textbooks under "islam," "rape," or "genocide."

Should I hate myself and my history because of one or two bad things?

No one is saying this
A person can be critical of his own countries past but still be a patriot
Theyre not mutually exclusive

nice pajama flag

If some dude saved Turkey from getting annexed by 5 countries, I would worship him too.

It is always a bit strange to go into a pharmacy in Turkiye and see photos of Ataturk on the wall. But I think I understand it, they're in a place between that and Islamism.

He's a top 20th century statesmen up there with the rest of them. He didn't go hard enough on Islam though and died too early.

are you the udmurt guy?

This is why christcucks always lose. Whenever muslims win, they exterminate christians. But christcucks never exterminate all muslims, not even when ruling over middle-east

Mannerheim has that similar role in our history, albeit more nuanced one since he didnt take part in general politics and fought against the red Finns which made him a figure hated by big share of the population

there is a certain respect, kinda like Finnish Churchill albeit not as challenged one as Churchill. I think thats enough because in the end war never needs one man no matter how capable and taking it too far is easy. Turks have him in their text books in same place where in caliphates you would have prayers or some shit like that

HEIL ATATÜRK

yeah 'bout that

keep in mind anti-Christian sentiments skyrocketed because of the Balkan wars where hundreds of thousands of turks and other balkan muslims were killed and deported just for being muslim, before that most of the wars and battles on Balkans were for state independence, not religious or ethnic war (against the turks only tho, because Bulgarians fought Greeks and Serbs also during that time, and that was purely ethnic hatred)

Did they genocide Turkey which used to be christian?

I'm the Turkish gf guy

Why do you Europeans care so much about Armenians?
While Turks were busy fighting WW1 on both fronts, Armenians decided to form gangs to revolt, raid Turk villages and kill the women and children using weapons given to them by the Russians the Ottomans were fighting at the time. Enver, being the retard he was, thought the best way to deal with that was to forcibly exile them by handing them over to the angry soldiers whose villages were raided. All of the officers involved in this were later punished and Enver himself was exiled.
So no, it had nothing to do with them being Christians, it wasn't done to ethnically cleanse the area from non-Turks, that region still has other ethnic groups like Georgians, Pontic Greeks and even Armenians. It was an atrocity and a failure like everything else Enver managed to do in the 4 years he was in control and no one is proud of it. But in the end it comes down to "shit happens in wars", looking at it isolated from the rest of the atrocities that happened around WW1 is extremely retarded
This is mostly due to population exchanges tbdesu

we inhabited those lands more than 500 years, what do you think?

your country has been hemorrhaging provinces for the past century

just when it looks like it's done for a man gives you hope and leads you to victory against all odds

establishes the political foundations for a modern, promising state that others had been trying to achieve since Mahmud II

why do you like him so much it's cultish and creepy

why did they remove red from bosnia on the yr 2000 map

Why? Because it's what muslims do. The Byzantine empire used to be all Christian

again
war needs no one man

This is mostly due to population exchanges tbdesu

unfortunately it's not

Turk Armenian Kurd Rum where all the same
Same face same race

Why are Christians such cucks? Muslims have no problems destroying Christians, yet Christians never destroyed muslims, even when they could have during the colonial period

Sometimes you can have same face different race

Because it's what muslims do

Well that's wrong because the Ottomans did not do that until the last century where they started to die and all of their vassals started to revolt. The Ottoman Empire was majority non-muslims for most of its lifetime, they did not kill or try to convert them because they got extra taxes from them. Of course they were still second class citizens and didn't have the same rights as muslims but the way they treated non-muslims were objectively better than the way Christian treated non-Christians (or the wrong kind of Christians)

gayreeks stoopid infact all the haters of turks are stoopid you can see how our existence causes obsessive faggotry even commie 5th colon for spastic youth hasan causes so much trouble just because he is a turk if he was an other race nobody would care much about him

oh we never tried to exterminate christians until we conquered them and exterminated them

I guess I got pwned

I know it's useless to argue with a schizo like you but I'm just saying that they were killed because of the revolts, not because they're Christians. Similarly around that time there were revolts from Muslims and some Anatolian Turks and they were also dealt in the same way.
It's not any different from how other empires like Rome dealt with the revolts, not saying they shouldn't have revolted because why the fuck would you want to live under an oppressive empire instead of having your own free country, but how else were the Ottomans supposed to react to that?

You have to be 18 to post here.

by not mass murdering civilians

mass murdering civilians has always been the default way of dealing with these things for every country that was involved in any conflict, that's just how war is
it only became a taboo after WW1

shut up retard you cant reason with these subhumans. suicide bomber = civil according to them.

be nice