Does anyone else find American students saying the pledge of allegiance every morning at school fucking cringe and totalitarian?
Does anyone else find American students saying the pledge of allegiance every morning at school fucking cringe and...
kind of. but I grew up in a 'cult'
Eh better than school prayer which we used to have when I was a kid. But I do find a bunch of unitedstatians chanting «USA USA!!» while watching a video of innocent people getting sent to a gulag a bit disconcerting.
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i don't understand why americans are so aware of themselves
I don't know how to put it. Everyday they remind themselves of their americanness
I like it, though I have a few notes
"one nation under god" feels a little too religious for a country with the first amendment protecting freedom of religion
"indivisible" felt nicer when people weren't actually split into severe political party based infighting. america is definitely not indivisible. at least we all feel a certain patriotism
"liberty and justice for all" feels nicer before you find out everyone just gets out on bail and plea deals for far less than the actual time.
if anyone should understand it would be the french.
i don't know why you think that
french patriotism/sense of frenchness is very strong and has historically reached even stronger periods
Modern Europeans stand for nothing.
do they actually do this or is it a meme
french patriotism/sense of frenchness is very strong
damn americans really have a bizarre view of us
im actually speechless
You’re right, they should be singing the Internationale
"Innocent"
Isn't that normal? We used to sing the national anthem to the flag everyday here.
It's normal. Euro fags are de-nationalized cosmopolitan bug men
Ngl, Never thought I’d see the supposed small government party chair on big government bootboys stomping all over everyone’s rights.
i visited. i'll visit again soon. bordeaux was a highlight
stomping all over everyone’s rights.
An illegal immigrant doesn't have the rights a citizen has
This has always been true
how could you possibly get the idea that french people are proud if you actually went here?
I remember in the brief time I lived in the US as a kid, it was virtually sacrilege to criticize or bad mouth da troops in any way. It took me way too long to leave the cult of veteran worship and see the military for the shit heap it truly is
Anyways I'm not a Republican and don't like Trump, but mass deportation is fine and a necessary measure to take to counter the surge we have had the past several years
i find it fucking cringe how obsessed nonamericans are with america
Your constitution explicitly says citizens when it refers to citizens and people when it refers to all people residing in the US. Also deporting is one thing, I’m unironically all for that. Deporting them to a maximum security prison for gangbangers, not so much. «Innocent until proven guilty» aka habeas corpus? I mean your president literally had people photoshop a gang member tattoo , no?
Anyway pretty sure you’ve by now deported even some legal immigrants since your government is and always has been hilariously incompetent. Don’t know why the party of Reagan suddenly started looking to big gov to do things right.
See deportation is fine. Even mass deportation. Sending people to prison for life without any trial? That’s what you used to do with enemy combatants in Afghanistan and Iraq and now you do it to people who did no crime except entering your country illegally in hopes of finding a better life for themselves.
Sorry, "persons" when it refers to all individuals.
because i'm not talking about pride, just cultural alignment. a lot of america is embarrassed right now
Why is the expectation and expression of loyalty "totalitarian"
Op is clearly baiting.
Fair
Illegal immigrants historically were entitled to due process, but often that was a very short hearing. In reality often immigrants were just rounded up in mass and deported.
This is what happened in the 1920s during the crackdown on immigration
When you are deporting a massive amount of people due process often gets thrown out the window
Again I have no problem with a short process. But you cannot defend sending people to a literal prison abroad just because they speak Spanish and wear hoodies.
Sending people to prison for life without any trial?
Name a single example of someone sentenced to life without trial. You made this up
*prison for life/undetermined length
It's just kind of weird from the perspective of a non-American. Especially since it's coming from a country that prides itself for it’s freedom and capitalism, to expect even very young children to recite some sort of special oath of allegiance to their fatherland seems off and commie-like. Good thing Trump didn't sign an executive order about hanging his portrait on the wall in every American classroom cuz it would make things even weirder. lmfao
just because they speak Spanish and wear hoodies.
Are you trolling?
The gay barber guy and the other one with the marijuana tattoo on his knuckles. They were both sent to that notorious el salvadoran prison which you famously don’t leave unless it’s in a coffin. Even the president of El Salvador said he had no authority to take people out of that prison.
You're being dramatic. It plays on the loudspeakers and no one was expected to stand up or even recite it in my high school
Though it's not for life I agree those cases are messed up
I'm not sure though you can implement mass deportation without some innocents getting mistaken.
Seems to me you either respect due process at the cost of controlling the border, or you accept that some rights will be violated
If due process was fully followed in every case, we would not be able to effectively deport people fast enough
Not true, I stand because of my hemorrhoids
I mean I would fully accept a «lesser due process» in exchange for a hasty deportation process, the opposite, where people remain in legal limbo for up to a decade and can’t legally work etc is not exactly ideal either. We have had cases here where people have been here for more than a decade before the final decision to deport them were made, and by that time you ruin not only their lives but they may have started families etc as well. Don’t get me wrong, the US have every right to deport people and mass deportation is not necessarily a bad thing (although I’m sceptical of government and policing bodies doing things right when they try to be hasty, but that’s a different argument).
But deporting straight to a prison, even for a short time, without a trial seems draconian as fuck and is all sorts of fucked up.
Over the last decade we have received roughly 10-12 million illegals.
If each received a trial it would likely take decades to deport even just half that number
You point out how inefficient our government is
If that's the case then I'm not sure why your trust them to be able to deport at a fast enough rate to counter incoming immigration
this is why you need a king
total subjection to the laws in abstract leaves the nation paralyzed, it's a form of tyranny as crippling as anarchy
there must be one over and above the law who can act with total freedom when necessary
don't confuse the american children they don't even know what a woman is