How much of Spanish architecture is actually Moorish in origin?

Yeah I heard of it too from our TV channels.
Well at least it's not Sagrada Familia lmao.
Which is what Forgotten Empire’s commissioned modders put for India at one point.

Sagrada Familia has never meant to be a philgrimage place. The closest thing is the basilica of the Our Lady of the Pillar in Zaragoza that is the site with the first recorded Marian apparition during apostle Jacob's travel in Spain. But Santiago de Compostela still is above Zaragoza in terms of popularity.

I guess european copied greco-roman styles instead of arab ones

They look almost nothing alike

mosques are just copy-pasted hagia sophias from the orthodox church, you're not original, muhajeet

don't worry they're working to rectify it by allowing more mass immigration to own the chuds

Evergreen.

The mosque/cathedral of Cordoba was built over a Visigothic basilica, inspired by the Mosque of Damascus, using Spanish horseshoe arches and local out of use Pagan and Christian temples materials (specially for the marble).

The Umayyads used to have their capital in Damascus and wanted Cordoba to be its new Damascus. The mosque was meant to equal Damascus Mosque but it ended up surprassing it.

Do Muslims have rights over it?

Nope.

It is not abour religious matter since the spiritual hearth of Iberian peninsula is Santiago de Compostela, people don't go to Cordoba for religious motivations. But it is a political and cultural symbol, it is a message to Saracens.

They did invade our lands, turned a church into a mosque and then did the same thing in Constantinople with Hagia Sophia. It is a reminder of the crusader essence of Spain.

You're telling me you couldnt shoot an arrow 2 units further than a Frenchman?

lmao...why are muslims such cringe, low IQ fucking retards? I really despise jews but the more chimpout videos I see of muzzies makes me cheer for the yids.

Who built it though?

Mosques existed 800 years before hagia sophia became a mosque.

Mostly Iberian converts to Islam/heavily Iberian people DNA-wise.

How did they build it if majority of them weren’t Muslim? Do you have any names of these Iberians who built these buildings? If Iberians built those, then why didn’t they have this type of architecture before the Arabs came?

and they started appearing in orthodox territory first, clearly they're just copypasted/rebranded greek basilicas

Does this look like hagia sophia?

There are just 4 muslim monuments in the whole of Iberia and all of them were built by native iberians converted to the new fancy religion that no one knew about before (since it was created 80 years before 711).

These were the ones that built the AlHambra: white germanic people of visigothic DNA.

ornamentalist Kitsch

b-but its old it cant be ki-

wrong

There are just 4 muslim monuments in the whole of Iberia

Alhambra
Alcázar of Seville
Alcázar Of cordoba
Aljafería
Mosque of cordoba
I’ve named 5 without searching, pretty sure there’s more

all of them were built by native iberians converted to the new fancy religion

Any proof? Name of these iberians who built these monuments?

These were the ones that built the AlHambra: white germanic people of visigothic DNA.

They belong to the khazraj tribe, specifically descended of Saʽd ibn ʽUbadah, one of the prophet companions. They look like this because their ancestors bred with visigothic and Iberian females.

uh, funny that you have precissely told us about the 4-5 muslim monuments which are based on the 3-4 ONLY muslim cities (the ones in Andalucia).

There are no more.

Name those non-iberian that built those monuments.
Why the most magnificent muslim monuments in the world are in Europe and not in nafrilands??? Because they were built by whites natives converted to islam. If they were built by northafricans why there is NOTHING remotely similar in their shitty lands???

The Nazaries Emirs were like 80-90% pure Iberian and remotely bereber after mixing with gothic concubines for 10 generations. And those bereber ancestors were most probably pure white looking too (since nafris started to mix with blacks after XII century.

How did they build it if majority of them weren’t Muslim?

The locals started to convert to Islam as soon as the invading armies arrived. If you mean Abd al-Rahman I (original builder of the former Mosque of Córdoba) who arrived in Al-Ándalus in 755 AC, then sure, he was mostly Arabian genetically. But, his grandson, Abd al-Rahman III, and expander of the former Mosque, had 3 Basque grandparents. It's ridiculous to claim Al-Ándalus' history is exclusively, or even mostly, Arabian.

Do you have any names of these Iberians who built these buildings?

Most of the workers would have had Arabic names, as they were Muslims. That doesn't mean they were Arabs, unless you think hundreds of millions of Indonesians, Pakistanis and Somalis today are Arabs.

If Iberians built those, then why didn’t they have this type of architecture before the Arabs came?

Do you think architectural styles are baked into DNA?

Most of the workers would have had Arabic names, as they were Muslims.

Except for cordoba and granda, the rest of the "muslim" ruled cities had iberian rulers with the new fancy religion.

The "muslim" ruler of Badajoz was a galician redhead (100% iberian)
The "muslim" ruler of Sevilla was another 100% iberian.
The "muslim" ruler of Zaragoza were the "Banu Qasi" family which is the muslim name for the Roman Casio family. They were the rulers of the city since roman times and they changed religion and names just for being fancy.

People don´t get that some Iberians changed 3-4 times religion in 500 years: from paganism-->christianism>arianism->islam. It was a fancy thing to do.

"Muslim" isn't an ethnicity nor a race.

ornamentalist

you mean a constant through all of human culture and history?

The locals started to convert to Islam as soon as the invading armies arrived.

Yeah but the local Iberians were never even 50% Muslim, a place like Egypt only became more than half Muslim in the Fatimid era 969_1171 and pretty sure that happened in the last 70 years, by that time almost half of Iberia wasn’t under Muslim control.

had 3 Basque grandparents

So? They were his ancestors sex slaves, it’s sad but that’s how people were back in the day, pointing this out is like trying to say that the Slavs have a claim on the ottomans because the sultans had Slavic slave mothers

Most of the workers would have had Arabic names

By the time the mosque of cordoba was built there was like only 5 Muslim iberians, and I will say it again, most Iberians were never Muslim in the first place

Do you think architectural styles are baked into DNA?

No, but if Iberians built those monuments then why didn’t they build them before the Arabs came?

"Europe" has no culture, literally every single aspect of their 'culture' is stolen from other much more successful cultures

The "muslim" ruler of Sevilla was another 100% iberian.

I only know two families that ruled Seville, bani al hajaj and bani Abbad, both from the lakhm tribe, the former were related to visghothic royalty through their mothers.

The "muslim" ruler of Zaragoza were the "Banu Qasi" family

No it was ruled by the Tujibids from the kinda tribe.

Yeah but the local Iberians were never even 50% Muslim

Most of the Andalusí Muslim population throughout its history was mostly local Iberian genetically.

So? They were his ancestors sex slaves

Women haven't been treated like equals by men for most of history, irrespective of their religion. Both men and women converted, at some points en masse.

By the time the mosque of cordoba was built there was like only 5 Muslim iberians

Ridiculous.

No, but if Iberians built those monuments then why didn’t they build them before the Arabs came?

Why didn't they build mosques before converting to Islam?

Also

implying all the soldiers who invaded in 711 were Arabs

Most of the Andalusí Muslim population throughout its history was mostly local Iberian

Only like 20% of Iberia was Muslim, maybe only the half was native Iberian, the rest were Arabs, Berbers, Slavs and other foreigners

Both men and women converted, at some points en masse.

If they did the women wouldn’t have ended up as slaves anon

Why didn't they build mosques before converting to Islam?

I’m not talking about mosques, I’m talking about that style of architecture

implying all the soldiers who invaded in 711 were Arabs

They weren’t, but another bigger exclusively Arab army invaded Iberia in 712 and completed the conquest

Only like 20% of Iberia was Muslim, maybe only the half was native Iberian, the rest were Arabs, Berbers, Slavs and other foreigners

Doesn't disprove what I said.

If they did the women wouldn’t have ended up as slaves anon

Absolutely no Muslim women in harems, saar.

I’m not talking about mosques, I’m talking about that style of architecture

Why didn't pre-Islamic Arabians build places of worship that looked like that?

They weren’t, but another bigger exclusively Arab army invaded Iberia in 712 and completed the conquest

And all the following invading armies throughout Al-Ándalus' history were exclusively Arab too, right?

the Mosque–Cathedral of Córdoba was initially built by visigoths before the muslim conquest, but various portions were added later, new shit was added during the muslim period, a lot of new stuff was also added after the muslim period

"Abd al-Rahman ibn Muhámmad ibn Marwán ibn Yunus al-Yiliqi al-Maridi,1 conocido como Ibn Marwán al-Yiliqi, Ibn Marwán, «el hijo del gallego» o «el gallego» "
The redhead galician.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qasi#:~:text=The Banu Qasi, Banu Kasi,on the upper Ebro Valley.

The Banu Qasi, Banu Kasi, Beni Casi (Arabic: بني قسي or بنو قسي, meaning "sons" or "heirs of Cassius"), Banu Musa, or al-Qasawi were a Muladí (local convert) dynasty that in the 9th century ruled the Upper March, a frontier territory of the Umayyad Emirate of Córdoba, located on the upper Ebro Valley. At their height in the 850s, family head Musa ibn Musa al-Qasawi was so powerful and autonomous that he would be called 'The Third Monarch of Hispania'. In the first half of the 10th century, an intra-family succession squabble, rebellions and rivalries with competing families, in the face of vigorous monarchs to the north and south, led to the sequential loss of all of their land.

Dynastic beginnings
The family is said to descend from the Hispano-Roman nobleman named Cassius.[1] Muslim chronicles and the Chronicle of Alfonso III suggest he was a Visigoth.[2][a] According to the 10th century Muwallad historian, Ibn al-Qūṭiyya, Count Cassius converted to Islam in 714 as the mawlā (client) of the Umayyads, shortly after their conquest of Hispania.[b] A

Only like 20% of Iberia was Muslim

Not even 1% and just in 4-5 southern cities. The maps with "muslim" influences are just summer raids to the north and not settlements.

The % of Romans in Iberia during the Roman Empire was not more than 2-3% either. As the % of Romans in Britannia was not more than 2-3%.

People still don´t get how political maps work.

This is the germanic rule of Iberia before the goths and the muslims.
Vandals and alans were like 1% of the total population but with this map they look like they were the 20%.

Mosque–Cathedral of Córdoba

In fact they used blue stones bought from roman byzancio....this mean they were white people trading with white people.

Or do you imagine the muslim lords of Cordoba trading like if they were friends with the christian lords of Byzantio?

No, they were just natives converted to islam.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. They DID have other ideas, however. They sure like their domed caps.

new buildings were added to the site throughout the muslim period and after the muslim period

it doesn't have a unique style or sole population that built it

Absolutely no Muslim women in harems, saar.

You can’t enslave a Muslim, not to mention that their Iberian mothers were usually royalty and were enslaved via wars

Why didn't pre-Islamic Arabians build places of worship that looked like that?

We didn’t have the resources, time or need to build monuments like that

And all the following invading armies throughout Al-Ándalus' history were exclusively Arab too, right?

I mean Iberia was conquered by an Arab Syrian army again in 741, obviously when the Almoravids and Almohads conquered Iberia the Andalusian civilisation was already established.

The absolute state of architectural knowledge on Anon Babble

You can’t enslave a Muslim

all harems are exclusively enslaved women

We didn’t have the resources, time or need to build monuments like that

lol

I’m 100% right, try to refute what I said

white germanic people of visigothic DNA.

They were white, but they weren't germanic nor visigoth, both groups are cultural, not biological.

Those monuments were built by white muslim hispano-arab people (muladíes), there never was germanic culture in Iberia (except the current german and anglo tourists); visigoths (roman citizens since they settled in Dacia), vandals, suebi were already romanised when the settled in Hispania and alans were romanised iranians.

This is the germanic rule of Iberia before the goths and the muslims.

Dux Pelagius (Don Pelayo), visigoth, spoke latin not a germanic language, worship Jupiter and Christ nor Odin and Thor, and his name was roman not germanic nor romanised germanic (like Carolus or Fredericus).

Same with the Banu Qasi, Gens Cassius, muslim visigoths (muladíes), but their culture was arabic-roman not germanic.

This whole germanophilia is retarded, pathetic and also fake.

Byzantio

It's Bizancio, Byzantium or Nova Roma, not Byzantio.

muladíes are Iberian Muslim, not Arab

Hilarious how you claim places separated from you by thousands of kilometers and hundreds of years of history as borderline exclusive to you.

They were that in the beginning, but with the past of the generations they became arabised, so it's correct to say they were Ibero-Arabs, because their mothers languages were both, Romance and Arab.

Culture is not rigid, you can belong to more than culture or even create new cultures from the combinations.

I think Islam went wrong when it was turned from an Arab ethno-religion into dropship Christianity.

If by me you you mean the Arab race and civilisation then yeah, the non Arabs of Iberia were subjects who had our culture and claimed lineages from our tribes, not to mention that the Arab rulers still had connections to their tribesmen in the east, the Umayyad kings of Iberia were connected with Abu al Farsi al Isfahani, an Umayyad from Isfahan, even more farther than me, that’s just an example.

The "we built Andalusia saar" meme really got under your skin.

So, it's wrong since its origin.

Pre-Islamic Allah, "Arabic Jupiter", Creator-God / Father-King of Gods and Men

schizo called Muhammad got high with some Middle East drugs

Allah is now "Arabic Yahweh", the rest of gods are fake or evil demons because... trust me bro

Jesus is just the last prophet before the Mahdi (Messiah / "Muslim Christ"), not the "Son of God"

Islam's history in a nutshell.

There's a rule of thumb for Spain.

If it is cool and it shows long history, it's moorish.

Yet again you’re not refuting what I say. You know, the funny thing is I’m actually from the same mother tribe of the Umayyads(quraysh) if one of my ancestors travelled to Iberia the Umayyads would’ve felt closer to him than the average Iberian, Muslim or not.

Islam was originally a Christian sect. Coins from the Caliph Muawiya started off depicting crosses and Muawiya himself on the coin. It was only afterwards two second caliphs later with Abd Al Malik that we start seing Islam being formed and a more extreme form of Christianity moving towards Unitarianism, declaring trinitarianism heresy.
As this sect and part of the world diverged more and more from mainstream Christianity, the Abbassids 100 years later codified Islam as a new religion and made up Hadits and Sirahs of the prophet.

That moment when you realised that your country suffered 800 years of civil war because some compatriots stop seeing the jewish messiah as the son/equal of the jewish god, to start see him as the last prophet before the mahdi (muslim messiah/christ)...

I hate the story of my country, it's so pathetic.

Fax>fee-fees.

Umm almost, but it's basically:

Trustfund baby is bored

listens to a lot of podcasts, remember that he cannot read

intelecatuals get mad at him, because he gets everything wrong about their religgion

he seethes and starts using his family wealth to build a brand

uses his power to have sex with women, because he is a coomer and he is obsessed with cooming

he takes over Arabia

smarter people take over his company and reshape it

Arab Religion:

Stone licking

Poligamy

Misogyny and sexual frustration

Christanity

One all forgiving and all loving God.

It was built over a church, said so the mosque is a war trophy, If it was to me, I would not care if VOX neo facha NWO demolish it as well Jews demolish Al-Aqsa.

It would be funny to see powerless goatfuckers rage and dilate.

We had that type of architecture before of Islam.
Muslims stole the arches from us. Just as you stole domes from Greeks.
There is nothing original on Islam, not even the theology stolen from Arians.

Doesn’t look similar

Yes Saaar you're very smart high IQ big tech ceo