I'm actually optimistic

Like Peter Navarro, Economics professor at UC-Irvine

Navarro

Truly, if this is the kind of man we are coping with, it is over.

Why though?

I'd have every American chained to a desk and any time anyone spoke a random person would get kicked in the teeth, vote for me next election.

Who are the smart people? Vance is at the very least well educated on the topics he cares about, but he has no real power. Marco at least understand government and law. The rest are braindead conspiratorial Trump bootlickers.

Unless a complete brown genocide miraculously happens, this country is finished.

Project 2025 is a shit idea

Because Trumps policies are mega-retarded.

My prediction is at least two constitutional crises and a ton of shit flinging. After all is said and done I don't expect things to be too much different from how they already are right now.

Depending from how the midterms go he may only have two years to do any real damage but anyway the GOP as a party is toast once he is gone.

I can't wait to see Trump in office, shit's going to be hillarious

i'm also optimistic that the usa will finally really collapse.

Fair enough. I'm just used to both sides being filled with brain washed retards that couldn't even name 3 policies of the person they're voting for. Republicans voting whoever because fuck the left. Democrats voting whoever because all conservatives are racists. People don't seem to realize that the only bad people are the extremists on both sides...but it doesn't matter, this country will never come together. It would literally take WW3 or an alien invasion to unify this country and even on the brink of human extinction I find it hard to believe some people would be willing to put their differences aside.

Democrats voting whoever because all conservatives are racists

They are.

you dont need to unify, you only need to kill the other side. you done it before, you can do it again. just make shure you are on the right side before it starts. unironicly the only hope i see for usa.

I think he might actually not get a lot done.

But if he does start employing tariffs, I don't see how it would be a completely negative thing for our country.

I don't believe this. I will say the MAGA cult are brain washed retards an racists though. But not all conservatives/republicans are MAGA cultists.
Modern society wouldn't allow another civil war to take place. Also I don't think murdering retards is the key. It's the reason why we still haven't found an answer for gang violence, murder just opens the door for more murder. Also most Americans are way too fucking selfish to care about unifying this country in any way. I've been alive for 32 years and the only time I've ever seen this country come together is when 9/11 happened.

People forget somehow forget we’re the second largest manufacturer on earth. We can literally produce pretty much produce everything in-house, and the things we can’t, which is mostly agricultural goods can be produce in Mexico.

If the US got it’s act together to make some EU equivalent but between CUM and without all the retarded green policies, then we’d blow everybody out if the water by a mile.

Modern society wouldn't allow another civil war to take place.

People probably said the same in 80's Yugoslavia

I am optimistic as well. I plan to put all of my money into foreign currencies on January 19, 2025, and then switch back to the dollar after inflation spikes and our currency loses value

I don't believe the democrats are saying that though?

You're retarded because you're 32. All western 90s babies are incapable of holding any real beliefs about anything

90s babies were born during prosperity and just slowly became malformed adults with no convictions, now they're suddenly needing to have one about where the country will go

This can only be bad. I don't see how it can be good.

did she even have policies though?

Which is to say, you are optimistic because that's all you have. Nothing but blind optimism. Unless you're 100% convinced daddy trump will somehow wave a magic wand and you'll get to keep living like a retard for the rest of your life.

you mean NAFTA?
we don't really need a unified currency and we certainly don't want canada or mexico to have a say in what laws we draft

Americans deserve the worst for the president they elected. Nobody of sound mind could think that he was a good or even just the better option.

All the things you manufacture have inputs, the costs of which will go up. All American businesses will raise prices as they no longer need to compete with imports either. And other countries will impose retaliatory tariffs on American exports. Literally everyone loses.

This exact policy is what turned Argentina from one of the richest countries in the world to a shit hole.

stop i can only get so hard

Yugoslavia has always been a war torn 3rd world shithole though.
The democrats literally say that they're all racists, transphobic, and misogynistic. I don't think this is true. Just like I'm sure there are probably people who vote democrat that are straight up racist. Voting left doesn't magically make you a good person just like voting right doesn't magically make you evil.
This post is a perfect example of why this country will never come together. Just another mouthbreathing retard.

based Biden

what happened to europe. Everybodys such a faggot now

if you would consult the image

Don't forget he's gonna deploy US soldiers to deport immigrants.Though this just might be a bluff to keep alien wages down. Which aligns with his promise he'll move factories into the US. Coupled with less taxes for the rich might be good for the economy? There's got to be a reason Republicans are supporting him. It's a 4D chess who knows

You are completely delusional if you think that. Not surprising, considering your country of origin.

Don't say that, we have to pretend to be friends in 4 years when they flip back to not being evil again.

I didn't vote for either presidential candidate this election.

It's going to be a total shitshow. Americans know nothing about defusing tense situations. At least the military gets to larp being a cop in 1968's chicago.

ok what if a literal chinese guy went to both rallies and says they're doing exactly that?
youtube.com/watch?v=J8sXuMjppTE
you can see his video history too, he isn't some myopic fag obsessed with US politics like you are.

A random stranger on the internet told you it was so? Your generation is totally asinine.

Da wall, and Mexico pay for it

We gonna send them all back

Restrict of all Muslim

I am sure 80 percent of these board posters are young fags who didn't know that he was president in 2016-2020. And we had BLM walk away with vandalizing tons of monuments. Trump in 2024 is even weaker.

The money people supporting him literally all thought the tariffs thing was just empty rhetoric. Now they are all freaking out because it's looking like he actually plans to do it.

Ironic coming from someone with your flag.

80 iq post. let the adults talk

the atlantic

ok you don't accept the anecdotes of the people living in the country you're talking about, and you don't accept anecdotes from outsiders who have nothing to gain or lose
what's your game? what's the point of going around telling people that they aren't living the lives that they say they're living?
Are you autistic?

whats evil

telling yourself to shut up

Comical.

Have you ever considered relying on something more solid than personal anecdotes? Like, facts?

That's not what irony means.

did you just learn that word xavier? mama needs masa did you forget to buy

It's about comparative advantages and tarrifs fucks that up. You'll see higher prices and US companies that use components from other countries will have higher costs and will to increase their prices, thus making them less competitive.

I'm not entirely confident you even have a concrete position to defend. Why should I bother sharing proof to an idiot who just goes around posting one liners, "nuh uh", "proofs?"
You're too much work to talk to and not much different from a 2016 tier bot.

kamala harris ran the worst campaign of all time retard

what is competitive advantage

holy shit man

mostly agricultural goods

We can always use Puerto Rico for the tropical goods like coffee, chocolate, and bananas. Directing more US investment into a US territory is a good thing.

I believe this

So far its always a leftard or european that is trying to order us to not use tariffs

Smells like shit to me. Makes me want trumps tariffs even more.

you can look at her website if the alzheimers is getting to you

I didn't pay attention to the election at all.
if she had a real plan the algorithm would have forced it to show up more often under the guise of "breaking news"

Nigger is it more expensive to produce less complex goods in the US where cost of living is higher or in fucking China where workers are paid a cent an hour?

I too want to see the economic clusterfuck that ensue. Considering trump ran on a campaign of lowering the cost of loving I can only imagine the resulting fireworks.

i remember 9/11, i was making breakfast for my gf when heard it in our shitty ass rental apartment. im 42 btw. there is a huge fuckup in usa where you think freeedom = the right to decide over others. it goes from politics where you want to decide over who can and cannot have abortions, to neighbour level where you through hoa want to tell the guy next door how he should keep his yard.
unless you give up that and accept that true freedom is you doing what you want and not giving a fuck about the others, you will even defend their right to do what you dont like, you will never grow as a nation. if not, civil war is an option. its your right that pushes it and im 110% they would loose, so why not?

Thats honestly fine with me. enjoy the show. in my mind, we will enjoy prosperity, while you will see civil unrest for the first time in your life.

Yeah... let me see. If I were in charge, I'll do a quick eval of what is really necessary to import, then ill just take that company and build it in the states, then cripple the one overseas. all things are possible if you have a vision. Thats why I like trump. He's a ruthless asshole that wouldnt flinch about taking thousands of jobs from taiwan or whatever.

This exact policy is what turned Argentina from one of the richest countries in the world to a shit hole.

That anon’s a retard, but comparing America's economic trajectory to Argentina is even worse. Even 100 years later, Argentina's economy was still more shot than people want to admit. Argentina has some of most fertile land on Earth, and unlike the US, where the land was settled by individual farmers and families, it was pretty much just given to already rich families and ranchers slowing innovation.

The transition from mostly agricultural goods to industry wasn't as smooth because of that. But really, what you’re really pointing at is Perón amd his successors policies. Bro, if you think Trump’s policies is going to be anywhere nesr as extreme and isolationist, then you’re actually retarded and need stop watching CNN.

Trump is dumb, but he’s not calling for isolationism to the same extent Perón or advocating for welfare spending. Which is something Americans say they don’t want again and again

prosperity is when autarky and prices are high and people are stuck in dogshit manufacturing jobs

Spiteful krautnigger of Anglo success is spiteful lmfao

jealous*

The US is going to hurt itself with tariffs but hurt it's enemies with them as well. They finally realized globalism helps their enemies far more than themselves. For Taiwan it means we might be poorer but safer.

dogshit manufacturing jobs

Err overplayed your hand there

Are you even 20 yet

, if you think Trump’s policies is going to be anywhere nesr as extreme and isolationist, then you’re actually retarded and need stop watching CNN.

He literally said he was going to put a flat 20% tax on all imports and up to 60% on Chinese imports. Multiple times. And unlike his first term he doesn't have his retard wranglers to keep him in check

but the chinese will pay thoose tariffs!!!

that second half is literally what we get taught in history and government classes.
The problem is that power corrupts. Our country is rich so we're a magnet for psychopaths who can't mind their own damn business.

What? At least make an effort to read the fucking posts you're replying to. Fuck off.

they dont have to pay it. dont like it dont pay it. the chinese can circulate the goods to somewhere else.

it actually does put a smile on my face picturing the temu gods wondering what the fuck theyll do now. not out of schadenfreude or whatever, but out of a love for creativity. I truly smile at wondering what the chinese will do, how the world will reorder itself while america learns how to make plastic crap themselves.

struck a nerve. sorry, im a little perceptive.

if trump makes china kneel, then he can literally reunify korea promptly after. that would get him added to mt rushmore. imagine. Lmao

retard illiterate schizo thinks tariffs are paid by the country they are imposed on

nevermind, i shouldn't have expected the bare fucking minimum

they dont have to pay it. dont like it dont pay it. the chinese can circulate the goods to somewhere else.

I don't think you seem to grasp what tariffs are and who pays them. It's a tax on American consumers and Businesses.

offcourse they aint gonna pay it. no one pays to sell gods. and it wont hurt them that much, usa wastly overestimate their own importance, you are just one country and barely make up 1/4 of indias population. if you wont buy it they will.

i kneel...

He literally said he was going to put a flat 20% tax on all imports and up to 60% on Chinese imports.

Tarrifs were literally 30% or higher before the mid 1960's

MAGA doesn't understand tariffs

MAGA thinks there is enough American labor or the necessary supply chains to support an American version of the Chinese industrial-manufacturing empire

It's so joever for this country

Maybe they didn't buy materials from Australia, process them in Japan and Korea, Assemble them using child labor in China and ship them back to America back in the 60's

There was not a flat 30% import tax on all goods in the 1960's

I don't think he'll get everything he wants, but he touted tariffs too much during his campaign to not get them in some form.

Most people don't know that the basic game plan in the Art of the Deal is to overpromise and then scale back to something more realistic over the course of negotiations through bargaining.

Day 1 in office

20% tariffs against foreign goods

EU retaliates with 20% tariffs against american goods

China starts pretending to be friends with everyone

Fire half the government workers

Government paralyzed from worker's strikes

Army deployed to deport Mexicans

Mexicans riot and burn cities down like BLM

MAGAtards realise prices are skyrocketing from tariffs

kino incoming

promise to lower cost of living

significantly increase cost of living

Can't wait to see how he "scales back" that

Most Americans don't buy many imports.

It's like Musk said. Americans will have to suffer but it will all work out

Jesus

Implying Trump was ever guided by anyone and didn't make his policy on a hunch.

Have you looked at the labels on the stuff you buy?

You idiot, everything uses imports at some point in the production. Literally everything. Most of the fertiliser you use to grow food is imported and can't even be produced in the US

reach around you, see how many products are made in usa and how many are made in china...

Yeah but mid terms are a thing so...

I mostly just buy food from grocery stores. I live in California, so most of the food is produced locally. Rice, fruits, vegetables, meat, etc. Most of what I eat comes straight from California.

Pretty sure most of the fertilizer used by local farmers comes out of a cow's ass.

you should be,if trannies seethe this much over nothing imagine how assmad they'll be if something happens

Pretty sure most of the fertilizer used by local farmers comes out of a cow's ass.

Why do you insist on talking a out things you clearly don't know or understand

the phone you post from, the chair you sit on, the kitchen appliances you use every day, the clothes you wear, the electronics that control your trucks ignition.....

Bump

Maybe importing fertilizer is something where you live, but it isn't as much of a deal in the US.

I post from a computer not a phone. Yes the computer is built from components manufactured and assembled from China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and elsewhere in Asia. The computer is also over a decade old. The purchases are so infrequent that policy will realistically change over the next five to ten years.

The chair I sit on is made of wood, manufactured either in state or in Oregon. The kitchen appliances I use every day are decades old, purchased by either my grandparents or parents. That said the main appliance I use is a Breville Home Oven which I assume is made in Australia. The clothes I wear are mostly cotton, which might be American grown, but the factories are definitely in Bangladesh, India, Thailand, and elsewhere in SEA. I don't own a truck, but I do know that the components of my Toyota come from Japan. That said the car is over a decade old and there are plenty of preexisting parts in the US to repair the few bits that fail. If I wanted a new car, the Toyota factories in the US are not subject to tariff.

tl;dr most of what I expect to buy in the next four years just isn't imported.

tl;dr everething you own is imported

So you barely buy anything while most Amerilards get loans to get a meme pickup trucks, newest iphones, ar-15's, nike shoes and avocado burritos. All these consoooming is what keeps the economy afloat and create jobs. Tariffs will impact the price of US made goods like shit don't forget most conpanies rely on cheap Mexicans for labor

Why don’t you understand that supply chains have more than one layer?

For example: the big-ass machines used on every farm in america need components made in other countries. Computer chips, tires, servos, pistons, whatever the fuck. Even the ones that say “100% made in America” are not really, because the subcontractor of the subcontractor responsible for the steering wheel imported some shit from China. Then you’ve got pharmaceuticals, medical devices, clothes, fuckin… any goddamn product you can think of has a significant import volume, either in the final product or components. Even if it only makes up 5% of a given market, REMOVING 5% OF THE MARKET HAS CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES AND PRICES WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF.

Democrats are fucked in the midterms. Best they can hope for is flipping the house. The senate will stay red regardless unless Trump goes full Hoover.

Maybe importing fertilizer is something where you live, but it isn't as much of a deal in the US.

Again you have no clue what you're talking about

Boomers: All food comes from america

Millennials: Noooo we're actually completely reliant on imports for damn near everything and there's no way we can grow half of this shit here, I don't wanna eat cornbread until I shit a brick aaahhhhh

Zoomers: All food comes from america

Zoomers are just boomers but broke and even more retarded

Kek

its like the iq bell curve except the zoomers are on the left side with the boomers

Musk was literally just praising millei for cutting tariffs in Argentina this week LMAO

What works for Argentina won't necessarily work for America. We need our industries back, unfortunately many will suffer to do that, but most will be better off for it in the end after a decade or two of reindustrialization.

Yes and I'm sure the massive economic pain in the short term won't cause issues for republicans.

We need our industries back, unfortunately many will suffer to do that, but most will be better off for it in the end after a decade or two of reindustrialization

Hes did so well the first time and his 7 businesses ..
So... Well...

Best... President... Ever

But he's 80... And .. he did .. so .. well .. in his .. 70s... Biden .. was the same... Age... He was.... Still... Good.

What is with this threads and lefty leaning people having wrong opinions all the time? It was hilarious how some people really thought that Trump woudnt win a few months ago.

these* threads

The amount of seething thirdies in here kvetching about Trump means he's going to do well.

this couldn't possibly be the most efficient thing they could do

Replace slaves with robots

No jobs

seeing amerimutts eat shit as a result of their own poor choices is going to be glorious

best part is the trumpnigger mods on this dead site'll suffer the most