Has there ever been a culturally sustainable lasting conservative revival? Or are they just small hickups in a longer path of modernity?
Has there ever been a culturally sustainable lasting conservative revival...
Conservatives will always lose because they play by a liberal framework.
We don't care what Europeans think any more. They've allowed their civilization to be taken over by Jihadist invaders. Until they sort that out, we have zero respect for them. Trying to argue with 90% of Europe is a waste of time. Their people are beyond demoralized. Intergenerational cucking has completely drained them of the will to stand up for anything virtuous, even the basic animal values of self-preservation. They are essentially told they must care for every foreigner, and many of them go along with it. Euros are educated in self-destructive nihilism from birth, and the fruit of this despondency is a complete spiritual collapse of the continent.
The reality is, Europe is just becoming a satellite continent for Africa and the Middle East. There is no visible assimilation or even an attempt at it. Europeans are nothing but the dogs of Muslims. They have established themselves as the ruling class in Europe, they live there, but are not subject to European laws or values, while native Europeans exist to serve them and must placate their every whim.
A Muslim can mass murder dozens of Europeans. And what is their instinct? Mourn for their dead brothers and sisters? Desire revenge? Make sure it doesn't happen again by getting them out? No. When an attack happen, Europeans don't shed tears for the dead. They shed tears thinking about the backlash against Muslims. They cry about how, "oh, this attack will cause the far right to be more popular!" Meanwhile they reassure themselves that we are all human while Muslims laugh at them for being weak spineless cucks and blatantly take advantage of them, proudly sucking Europe dry.
It is like they want to go extinct. They hate themselves more than anything else in the world. A continent of useless, self hating pussies who somehow think they are also superior to the rest of the world because they care about "muh human rights" (lel)
Fall of the USSR.
However there's never been anything like it in the West because people are free to become conservative and not take part in liberal culture, here they work like parallel societies.
Eventually the whole world will be like the US, meaning that a good chunk of the men will be literal or figurative faggots while 80% of women will be absolute whores. Both these groups will depend on anti depressants in order to cope with their empty lives. This will continue until the world ends.
Fall of the USSR (...) parallel societies
Yeah but maybe those are also just temporary hiccups?
grim
liberal framework
which is?
The current one seems to be doing pretty well.
poo in loo lmao
Outside of the first world? Yes, plenty.
like? and with sustainable, I mean longer than a decade.
I mean longer than a decade
So then we have Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile, and Philippines.
Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Chile, and Philippines.
looks at them today
wow really sustainable
define sustainable
afganistan looks pretty conservative, but you can blame its state of affairs on the forced and unnatural modernization if you want to
yeah, that could be an example if they don't collapse
Iran is just one example. Most MENA is also more conservative than they were before.
Do zoomers even know that 2/3 of the world's population was government by socialist governments at one point?
Of course there are conservative revivals, you are currently living within one.
Iran, Mena
yeah and europe had the restauration, which was just a hiccup.
The initial post was:
sustainable lasting conservative revival? Or are they just small hickups in a longer path of modernity?
Looking at Iran, that collapsing regime looks like a hiccup aswell.
conservative revivals
how sustainable is postmodern larping?
Define what you mean by sustainable then. The Iranian revolution was 50 years ago yet you said longer than a decade.
You should act genuinely if you want a genuine conversation. Peace.
You said longer than a decade.
meant century srry
Iran has one of the most secular populations in the Middle East.
MENA has hot pockets of super crazy shit, mostly in the Levant region. However the regions that were stable have become progressive compared to the rest. Tunisia recently removed Islam as the state religion, now compare that to Lybia.
Liberalism is too new for that. It only started taking power in the mid-late 19th Century in most places, there hasn't been enough time to have a counter-liberal movement win and then exist a century.
Afghanistan exists in a vacuum desu.
Liberalism
thats why is used "modernity".
en.wikipedia.org
Conservatism in the sense you mean opposes Liberalism, not "the Modern Period". Cultural attitudes remained conservative and governments actually became more absolutist throughout the period (except in Britain and the Netherlands).
Has there ever been a culturally sustainable lasting conservative revival?
There's been a few in the pre-modern era (see: Ibn Taymiyya as a popular example).
I don't think there's been one in the post-modern that wasn't a generational backlash from a war or other significant event.
Conservatism
Thats the modern anglo definition? Absolutism and centralisation driven by technology was part of evolving modernity and not "conservative" in form.
Cultural attitudes
Where ever changing? From the grand Reformation to small provocative Vienna Classic. (examples)
Ibn Taymiyya
yeah, good example
Taymya was a schizo shunned by everyone until last century
cultural attitudes
Another example was the slow dissolution of the "Zünfte" in towns and cities, that was a complete cultural and economic overhall of central european cities in an absolutist state, and part of modernity
I feel like there's a significantly big difference in what "conservativism" means in western political understanding with what it means in Islamic conext.
Thats the modern anglo definition? Absolutism and centralisation driven by technology was part of evolving modernity and not "conservative" in form.
So you mean like a return to pre-industrial feudalism?
difference in what "conservativism" means
And in the west, as you can see with the american and me talking past each other
He was used by the Saudis for the Wahhabist revival yes, but he was very influential in his time period and after his death.
Yes, but OP just asked about any culturally sustaining conservative movement.
Conservatism in my country always feels a bit forced and superficial. Like underneath it are just a bunch of angry people feeling empowered by forcing others to be miserable like them.
pre-industrial feudalism
Maybe, but in an eclectic and postmodern form. Like every "restauration" larping movement. (Biedermeier, Sturm und Drang)
Kek in a sense only Afghanistan seems true to the form, for being a peasant shithole, I don't know.
The Amish as well desu.
Wahhabist Revival
Thats why I said good example.
Although MbS seems to make that look like a hiccup aswell
This seems like a false dichotomy. "Modernity" is just new inventions and innovations that reshape life, it isn't whether gays are currently allowed to publicly fuck each other, which comes and goes cyclically.
What about the rising divorce rates in almost every corner of the world? Including once previously very conservative countries where they weren't the norm?
The world has been polygamous or hybrid longer than it has been exclusively monogamous. "Marriage" as a concept is another fluid thing that simply changes shape given the social circumstances.
Ironically in this case, it was progressives who killed marriage, by turning it into a binding state contract with poisonous terms, feminism.
conservatism in a restauration sense, not modern two party america
where they weren't the norm
Yep, like Morocco, Algeria etc.
isn't Singapore conservative ?
If you look at the absolute core mechanics enforced by Christianity its just making sure people are monogamous. Same goes for other financial mechanics like tax advantages for married people, housing requiring 2 incomes (but 3 not being allowed).
Hopefully this will change soon and I go from 0 gfs to 3 at once.
I should have titled it "restaurative"
Conservative has way too many meanings now.
taken over by Jihadist invaders.
Gets taken over by malaysian jihadist invaders
So what you're essentially asking is if there's a successful nationwide scale return-to-trad movement? But what exactly about Afghanistan is successful in that regard according to your criteria?
Probably somewhere in the Balkans then if I'm understanding correctly. I can't really say if it's " stable " but the people around that area probably do not want to change the way they are living.
There has never been anything culturally sustainable that wasn't plutocracy in one name or another.