Why do Lefties hate Israel?

The Palestinian liberation movement was very left wing in nature and heavily represented by socialists and even outright Marxist-Leninists up until like the 1980s so there is a lot of residual connection with the global socialist movement, even as its taken on a more Islamist nature.

Israel is a poster child of a colonial state. Don't compare it to europeans

Leftism is feminity, you are putting more qualities than necessary in leftism, it really boils down to the dissolution of barriers and acceptance of others at expense of yourself.

If you want to ruin your enemies you finance leftists in their country

Similar to aids, they are a disease on the inmune system of society

Neither Poland nor Croatia were established through settler colonialism, a more accurate comparison would be the United States, Canada, or Brazil

nta and I was even sympathetic was Israel after october 7th, but you guys have kinda overdone it and not wrapped it up quick enough. also no aid coming in is kinda grimm, and drumpf being your biggest cheerleader doesnt help either

I don't know enough about Poland or Croatia to tell you that, except for obvious stuff like heavily restricted abortion in Poland which would make them dislike Poland.

An israeli denying the holocaust? I saw something new today

Drump isn't our cheerleader.
Aid doesn't need to get in because it'll only prolong the conflict, "gideon's chariots" is the last op, aiming to capture the whole strip, moving the population to the south where aid will be distributed to civvies after being checked by a third party.
There's no option unfortunately, a "genocided population" would've released the hostages already and the war were to end.

Indiscriminately bombs Palestinians

Helped Funded Hamas against the PLO

Denies the Nakba was bad

Ben Gvir and Netanyahu exists

Is generally as distrustful as Hamas (Recently they literally just lied about when they shot at a Palestinian ambulance)

Calls everyone that disagrees with them antisemitic

Because they’re based

Ok Mr. IDF Soldier, whatever you say

Blumpf just announced they're being forcibly moved to Libya thoughever

I'm just going off vibes, I don't care for hamas but after alle this time Israel really doesn't come off as the good guys either. Also Trump is sucking Israel's dick like no president has ever done before

Libya is literally about to erupt into civil war electric bogaloo because some militia dude got ack'd. It's literally a divided country, one is under the muslim brotherhood and the other is collapsing, not even the gazans want to go to libya, trump is a businessman, I wouldn't believe anything he says.

Poland and Croatia both expelled hundreds of thousands of people from their terrories which they occupied and annexed in war. I don't understand why is it okay for leftists when Slavs kill people in Eastern Europe, but it's not okay when they do it in the Levant.
Is England a settler colonial state?

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they just took a GIANT L from Trump with the removal of Syrian sanctions and Trump possibly recognizing a Palestinian state. Trump is too bipolar though, it's possible he goes back to being completely retarded

I’ve noticed a rift occurring between black lefties and Arabs on the topic of Palestine.
Black peopel are figuring out how racist Arabs are and it’s causing problems, they are leaving the Palestinian cause behind. I hope the trend continues because those people dont care about blacks and would never do the same level of advocacy for them as black Americans have done in support of Palestine.

I've heard Bibi wants to permanently occupy Gaza and the Us would like to move them to Libya. How true is this?

Come on now, does it matter if now the world hates us more than they hated us 3 years ago? What's the difference? now the leftists and the commies call me a nazi? With the political landscape of today I was suprised it didn't happen in 2016.

Do you think israel began ethnically cleansing palestinians after O7? lol.

Your holohoax betabux has formed a media and nonprofit advocacy industrial complex for them to carry on their ethnocide for decades without ever being equestioned in public diplomacy

You're not going to win the euro vision song contest with that attitiude

never mind read your other reply

Are israelis the last self aware humans left?

you mean they did it before that or what? Like the other guy said the palestinian population in gaza doubled before that so if they were holocausting them they did a really really shitty job at it

Poland and Croatia

I don't know much about either situation about I don't think I've seen a single leftist approve of the Ustase or the various genocides committed by Croatians in the Yugoslav Wars if that's what you mean. (Tankies tend to be quite pro-Serbian actually)

Well why does no one talk about it?

I mean it happened in the 40s and 90s respectively, I guess because most genocides in general aren't really talked about? Israel and Palestine has just become a hot topic for some to virtue signal about

England

Well it's pretty retarded to compare something that happened before the industrial revolution to modern day society. Not to say the loss of the Celts in Europe hasn't been a massive tragedy for European indigenous diversity.

Permanent takeover? I'd say it's unrealistic because the world will bitch and moan, but at this point gaza isn't suitable, not even for the palis.
Libya isn't stable as I see it, since most of the GCC countries don't want to do anything with palis and lebanon, jordan and syria don't want to get more destabilized they're not an option.
Perhaps morroco.

Poland and Croatia both expelled hundreds of thousands of people from their terrories which they occupied and annexed in war. I don't understand why is it okay for leftists when Slavs kill people in Eastern Europe, but it's not okay when they do it in the Levant.

The Palestinian conflict is not just about people getting killed, that happens everywhere and there are atrocities all over the world. The fundamental issue is the nature of how Israel was created and the role Zionist settlers played in doing so.

Is England a settler colonial state?

If we go far back enough then maybe yeah, and the same for just about every modern country in the west. England wasn't settled a hundred years ago and their indigenous population has been completely replaced, there are still millions of Palestinians and plenty that were alive during the Nakba so the issue hasn't been solved. The whole reason Israel has such lax laws for Jewish immigration is because they've seen from Rhodesia and South Africa that minority rule always collapses, and the growing Palestinian population is amplifying preexisting political tensions in Israeli society. If there wasn't a 10/7 to kick things off, there would have been something else and they would have still unleashed hell on Gaza.

Leftists hate Israel because they think it’s a white colonial state. They ignore Mizrahim, Ethiopians, Jews expelled from Arab countries. They pretend Zionism started after the Holocaust, that Jews just showed up and stole land. They call it apartheid while Arabs vote, run parties, sit on the Supreme Court. And they twist the Law of Return into racism. For them it’s always white vs brown, oppressor vs oppressed. Simple, lazy, convenient. Real history gets in the way, so they just ignore it. That's too difficult for them.

except one was beneficial, necessary and fully justified, other was not

you mean they did it before that or what?

Bro israel was established on top of paleatine
The state of israel is the result of agressive, reiterative, perpetual and hybrid tactics of displacement, settling, and ethnic cleansing.

Like the other guy said the palestinian population in gaza doubled before that

Because more palestinians kept taking refugee in gaza as israelis kept displacing them. Since they are also on such miseeable conditions they have very high birth rates as survival strategy

Yeah I don't see how the Libya plan is even remotely feasible when the country has been fractured for well over a decade at this point, unless we suddenly give Haftar a fuck ton of guns and money to put it back together.

When we do it is okay

What is difference between kicking out Prussians, Krajina Serbs and Palestinians (47)? All three are ethnic conflicts and all ended with the losers being removed. I don't see commies burning Polish flags.

I don't watch the eurovision. And it's not like we'll win, what, you want us to host the eurovision while there are still ballistic missiles being intercepted over your head?

I'd say it's unrealistic because the world will bitch and moan

And?
You could take up to sinai and nothing would happen
Arabs took L after L after L.
We are about to see major territorial reforms following up major demographic shifts

You dont need a german state if the population is syrian, you dont need a palestinian state if the population is israeli, your population will keep growing and you will need a place to put them, given israel is turning the sole hegemonic power of MENA as soon as the jidfs realize how to deal with gulftards you will get free way to take all of sinai

Dude, you are Argentinian.

don't compare balkans to poland

kicking out Prussians

Prussians no longer exist or many hundreds of years, due to german genocide

israel has always denied it lol
when israel was formed they were saying that hitler just wanted the jews to leave and come to israel, the prime minister at the time also called the ones that died weaker than those that survived/ran away

this argenshitian gypsy and its pathetic jewish bootlicking is getting boring
settle down shithole dweller, none of your business anyway

Whats about it?
Lol

In 1952, West Germany agreed to pay Israel reparations for Holocaust-related claims. These payments were a significant part of Israel's income, reaching as high as 87.5% of state revenue by 1956. Over 14 years, the payments totaled 3 billion marks (approximately $7 billion in today's currency). While these reparations played a vital role in Israel's early development, they don't represent a percentage of the current GDP

Israel was funded on holohoax gibs

Polish deflection tactics

You are a settler colonialist.

It's more beneficial to include the whole ME into the abraham accords then to take the sinai, don't get me wrong, the sinai has oil and all but it'll just prolong this wars for the next 80 years, just when the GCC and lebanon had enough of fighting on behalf the palis, and the iranian proxies got reduced to just yemen.

The jews killed jesus so it is my business actually.

what you are doing is deflection. If you relativize genocide then you're a human trash, well, unsurprising since hungarians were nazi collaborators

How much of a war can egypt put up after iran gets carpet bombed and the few proxies left are removed? Once you get the abraham accords signed and get sinai gulfies will lose their hegemony on oil trade, you will get free way into the dead sea, good relations with jordan and the new syrian regime and probably the new iranian one, total control over all transeurasian oil trade, indic ocean manufacturing trade and a full control of this ME-India-Europe-russia corridor.
The stakes are high but the reward is higher

Signed or*
Obviously you cant do both, yet at least, if the abraham accords allow you to inject influence and part of your western backed surveillance infrastructure you can easily manage all of these medieval menanoids

bruh egypt is 10x our population size

You are a settler colonialist.

So are israelis. Im not "condemning them"
But they are not me, i dont need to sugarcoat what they are lol

And you have cutting edge american military tech, they have spears and biomass,realstically what can they do once wars are fougth with drones?

you still need boots on the ground to occupy territory, egypt actually has a pretty modern army with american equipment. you know unless you decide to just nuke the entire nile

It looks good on paper. But the never ending wars are getting passe. Hopefully this war is the last chapter on this saga, but who am I kidding, sooner or later we'll get complacent on security and we'll have to curb stomp jihadists until either nukes are used or judgement comes

You are relativizing the genocide against Prussians and I haven't even talked about the Vistula Action.

Yea Idk about that but I once watched a clip of netanyahu saying smth bullshit like "an imam convinced hitler to do it" I just remembered this

For them it’s always white vs brown, oppressor vs oppressed

Despite being generally left leaning, this brain-dead way of thinking has always annoyed the hell out of me.
I've also found it funny how those western leftists always claim mizrahim and ethiopians jews are being oppressed by the evil white jew, but vote much more for far-right parties and are more racist to arabs than the average ashkenazi

lefties think the world is a disney film and they operate on that "cheer for the underdog" mentality. they assume all jews are rich and all palestinians poor. they don't know what a car bomb is or why theres massacres at israeli concerts.

ethiopians jews

In this case you're actually right, Ethiopian Jews have been subjected to forced sterilization

Iirc they were just given birth control pills when they got there.

I heard something about it, but never dug into it. ashkenazis tend to have a superiority complex, and the majority are left leaning. Mizrahis are eeh, brutes I'd say, the majority of Israel are mizrahis.
I don't fit in any category since ive came here from argie

Is it true that the Mizrahi bully Askhenazis

Mizrahim, Ethiopians, Jews expelled from Arab countries

irrelevant

They pretend Zionism started after the Holocaust

no? that's what zionists do

They call it apartheid while Arabs vote, run parties, sit on the Supreme Court

that must be very comforting for every palestinian that had his home bulldozed in the west bank

And they twist the Law of Return into racism

it's worse than just racism, if you are a jew you can freely go live in illegally occupied territory

fpbp

yeah

If someone is genociding you and you're defending yourself it's not a genocide

Hungarians are morally bankrupt losers of history, eternal baddies and chuds.
Sad case.

100%. Ashkenazis fit the nerd stereotype and mizrahis the high school jock.
russians are really aloof and cold, they wouldn't say to you good morning or anything, I know I'm generalizing not everyone is like that but it's the majority of how they behave that dictated these stereotypes.

What do you think of the ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabach by Azerbaijan last year?

Cope. Israelis openly talk about destroying the Palestinian people then get outraged when that pisses people off. Mad. I say that as someone who disagrees with the narrative that an actual genocide is occuring, but the rhetoric is 100% there and you shouldn't be surprised if some people, especially leftists, hate you for it. No Qatari money needed.

i think that Experts estimate Israel supplied Azerbaijan with nearly 70% of its arsenal between 2016 and 2020

Cool where the mass protests in the west about azerbaijan

Leftists hate Israel because they view everything through the lens of oppressors and the oppressed.

nta, so who won? Is there any footage from that conflict?

the west doesn't massively fund and support azerbaijan. the protests aren't calling for us to declare war on a foreign power we have no control over, but to rein in our attack dog

They consider Israel a contemporary version of white/western imperialism

Doubles in the span of a year and a half lol

That didn't happen, but go ahead and try to provide source for that ridiculous claim

I thought is was the Chinese tiktok influencers.
latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-11-07/china-israel-gaza-hamas-antisemitism-tiktok

There's no option unfortunately, a "genocided population" would've released the hostages already and the war were to end.

This is also false, Israel made it clear that they will continue the genocide even if they return the hostages and even if Hamas and other groups like PFLP put down their weapons. Logically there is no reason for Hamas to release the hostages without upfront gain.
This is like many situations in history where a city is told surrender and we will go easy on you just for the invading army wipe the town, all surrounding cities learn from this and keep on resisting even if there is no win situation.

We're open about destroying their (false) national identity, Which's worse than Nazism in principle. It's a fringe unhinged group who actually talk about killing them

I never understood the apartheid argument as this one would mean Palestine is part of Israel. Doesn't this go entirely against their broader views? It's so weirdly contradictory

Mizrahi boomers actually lived under Arab rule and are extremely blackpilled, The "never be vulnerable in front of an Arab" is basically their 11th commandments

leftist generally advocate for cosmopolitanism

But what the hell do you mean "false national identity"? The legitimacy of their national identity isn't for you to decide any more than the legitimacy of Israel's national identity is theirs to decide. They collectively identify as Palestinians. You collectively identify as Israelis. That's as much legitimacy as any national identity is ever going to have.

the qataris made bomb that daycare o algo

not really, what they want is a one state solution with equal rights and returned property to palestinians

why do the left hate the country that is blatantly commiting warcrimes

pretty sure some righties also hate them

Israel occupies the West Bank and imposes an apartheid system on Palestinian inhabitants, what's the contradictory part of that?

Israeli government are ran by highly corrupt chuds, and are bombing civilians on the regular. What more reason you need?

make false accusations

do they really?

rightoids are so predictable

It's false because it doesn't exist without its legitimacy to hurt Jews, we've the right, moral obligation, to think their identity should die when it comes on our expense.

It's the current pet cause for Lefties. Before it was Ukraine. In 2 or 3 years, it'll be something else. All their outrage flies out the window when it comes to Sudan or the Druze
Qatar actually does influence American universities, Conell has received over 1.5 billion fucking dollars in the last 10 years. Of course they have Al-Jazeera to peddle their narratives too

Israel and Palestine has just become a hot topic for some to virtue signal about

Its because its a major Western asset for intel and tech and two highly organized powerful ethnic groups in the US (white bible belt christians & ny/cali jews) put an insane amount of importance on it.

Seriously if you grow up in the Bible Belt its insane realizing just how fanatical these people are about Israel, they think they're the literal people from the Bible and Israel is necessary to bring about Revelations. No joke this is what they think

you mean they did it before that or what?

Yes

Like the other guy said the palestinian population in gaza doubled before that

Palestinian population has always had their living space shrunk at expense of israel and israeli settlers. That is ethnic cleansing.

so if they were holocausting them they did a really really shitty job at it

Israeli have this fantasy of total capability so when they fail to achieve things they claim didnt actually try.

It's what happens when they get judged by the same standards as a normal country as opposed to "go easy on them, they've been through more than any other people".

Palestinian people

people

What would have been the appropriate response to October 7th?

Another lie. But go ahead and try to provide a source. One of the first documents the PLO issued said that jews that lived in Palestine before the establishment of Israel were to be Palestinian citizens

Dismantle the apartheid state and a truth commision inspired in South Africa.

It isnt "contemporary", its the last remnant of that era. What you're seeing right now is the project reaching its natural conclusion

Muslim Arabs can live in Israel as equal citizens. The same isn't true the other way around

lol no they're by and large second class citizens

israel shot down soviet piloted MiGs some decades ago. They were using Western European and American Jets to do it. Lefties have never forgiven them for it. That is why they have taken on the Palestinian cause, because Israel embarrassed the USSR, not because they care about brown people dying (e.g. they give zero fucks about the Yemeni civil war, and they only started caring about Saudis bombing Yemen after oct7th).

No
They were forcedly sterilized.
They have the lowest birth rates out of any population in israel

Once o villa crespo?

Yes but they do so in a stupid way, as in, is pretty self evident that every group, in so far it exists, has subgroups advocating tk expand their agency and power, leftism is just "lets pretend our actions never lead to evident consequences"

Because they view it as "white" colonist state that's killing innocent brown people.
It's basically as always with leftists: white bad, brown good

Arab-Israelis vote and hold political office. Every big Israeli hospital will have Arab and Jewish patients getting treatment, as well as Arab and Jewish medical staff working side-by-side. Every big Israeli university will have Arab and Jewish students, as well as Arab and Jewish professors.

There is plenty of discrimination from bigoted individuals, and the state actively tries to maintain a Jewish majority with its immigration policy. While it isn't a perfect utopia, the Arab-israelis have more political rights and protections in israel than Arab citizens in Arab majority countries.

And, of course, I'm distinguishing Arab-israelis from Arab-Palestinians (who don't have the same legal rights, as they are considered foreigners).

They have voting rights, representation in the Knesset, and equal access to education, healthcare, and legal defense. Meanwhile, Jews in the Islamic world have all been exiled or killed

why would they send mossad into ethiopia, to bring thousands of ethiopian Jews to israel, just to sterilize them? If they don't want them, they could have just left them in ethiopia.

It makes a lot more sense to me that they gave them birth control shots while they were in refugee camps, cause they didn't have the medical staff at the time to take care of pregnant women and deliver babies. Not some nefarious plan to genocide the ethiopian jews for being too dark-skinned.