How do turks cope with this dichotomy?

how do turks cope with this dichotomy?

Imagine terrone boomers ruling your country and seeing any criticism as an attack because they are so great

That summarizes ershitto

The nifty things about Islamic populism is that you will never run out of supply of external factors to blame for the misfortune of the nation until the heat death of the universe.

Erdogan does not represent real Islam

Attaturk represented real islam?
Erdogan is considered to represent islam the most because he keeps interest rates at 0

It's always the most subhuman of subhumans that are part of this ideology, this is why I think the only cure is importing people who are even more subhuman so the previous subhumans start abandoning this ideology but somehow they create delusional barriers on how they are still the greatest and the world is jealous

It's fascinating, isn't it?

Neither of them are true Muslims, they are just politicians saying anything

First quote is fake I'm pretty sure(not to say that it's wrong)
As for erDOGan nobody takes that retard seriously so there's no need to cope with this at all
The only ones I've ever personally seen vote for him legitimately thought they can get some sort of benefit from it

I dont mean this in a rude way but sometimes i see rallys of his supporters and holy fuck most of them are ugly as sin

Ugly soul, ugly face

They have a superiority complex but become mad when you tell them they live like cavemen and look like inbred pedophiles kek.

It's even more funny when they are 60 year old 1.5m tall manlets

tayyarı öldürmeyin ve cesedine tecavüz etmeyin

Turkish nationalism basically is a religion. They worship Ataturk, they sing songs of him, they have portraits and statues and altars to him everywhere, they have a million holidays for him, they have national moments of silence for him, it's illegal to criticize him just as it would be blasphemy to disrespect Islam, he invented a new national mythology of pan-Turkic identity that makes no sense at all, it's absolutely unacceptable to question his leadership or wisdom for the country. It's literally just secular Islam. He was a Muslim zealot in everything except for the name. I've never seen a more fraudulent secularism than Kemalism, the epitome of irrational state worship

you're not allowed to respect the man who single handedly saved the nation from destruction

I'll keep that in my mind my little american boy

He's just a symbol of ideology, attacking him would be like Americans attacking george Washington and the amendments

Turkish nationalism basically is a religion. They worship Ataturk, they sing songs of him, they have portraits and statues and altars to him everywhere, they have a million holidays for him, they have national moments of silence for him, it's illegal to criticize him just as it would be blasphemy to disrespect Islam, he invented a new national mythology of pan-Turkic identity that makes no sense at all, it's absolutely unacceptable to question his leadership or wisdom for the country.

based
atatürk > allah

pan-Turkic identity

Literally not true though, he's had multiple speeches saying that he has nothing to do with some Kazakh from Mongolia
Also why he emphasized Hittites

It's completely legal to do those things here. Our liberalism is based around the state not interfering in people's lives, yours is all about making people worship the state in exchange for some loose freedoms.

I mean Turks do have more in common with Anatolia than some Kazakh from Mongolia so

Both are shit in their own way but both have done some good too.

There are people who have openly attacked him, we're just not cucks who tolerate illiterate monkeys to criticise what our nation stands for

You can allow your george floyds to ruin whatever remnants you have of the founders though lmao

’based’ ataturk turning turks into faggots and whores so that kurds and syrians will be the majority

You have most in common with Arabs from al-jazira doe

you are le fag because you don't turn to a black box and worship it 114514 times a day

Didn't your prophet suck cocks or something?

You can't see that Ataturk's absolute devotion to the state created a monster you can't kill, your whole country's history is a tale of extreme deep state government corruption flipping from one corrupt group to another regardless if they're secularists or Islamists. It's the same story every time because you have no higher value than Ataturk's state and it's nearly impossible to challenge that structure. Erdogan understood this early in life and he managed to conquer the deep state knowing it would make him nearly unstoppable. This problem can be traced to Ataturk and you lack the ability to question him. At least in America we're trying to revamp our whole country right now because our values allow us to do that.

So trueeeee Mohammed Gabbawi el-Mahsud. Keep the jihad from Amsterdam!

Nigga you have the birth rates of Germany without half the economy. The most secular regions have the lowest birth rates too. Get a fucking hint already. Anyway you can jack off to bowing to the europeans your actually based ancestors fought while the minorities in your country will become the majority.

? Erdogan is anti Atatürk but he larps as pro Atatürk. He's tried several times to remove certain laws or become critical of him only to get his shit kicked in, he can control mindless sheeps that will die in a generation and whom their children absolutely hate, he can't change the core.

It's designed like that so inbred mindless 70iq shitspawns can have power but never change the core of the nation

Why do the most secular regions have the lowest birth rates and biggest kurdish minorities outside of the kurd majority areas?

kurds and syrians will be the majority

What happened to ummah unity?

No one cares about birthrate here because we're as capitalist as it gets, kurds are the lowest caste and do all trash jobs

Nigga you have the birth rates of Germany without half the economy.

Because a certain based and redpilled jihadist de facto couped the cunt and crashed the economy. Coup was 9 years ago and the economic crash 8 years ago, I should add.

The most secular regions have the lowest birth rates too.

Because they're the most urban, you inbred nigger.

Anyway you can jack off to bowing to the europeans your actually based ancestors fought while the minorities in your country will become the majority.

Lmao, so not sucking off random poor arabs means I must be sucking off europeans? It's so fucking funny how you islamist retards seriously not only think that Turks must always be sucking off one group or another, but also somehow come to the conclusion that it would be best to suck off the arabs of all people.
Those minorities were imported from Syria by your islamist leader btw, you stupid nigger. What makes your retarded diaspora ass that doesn't know a single word of Turkish and hasn't even seen a muslim in his life think that he knows better than us about our fucking matters?

and biggest kurdish minorities outside of the kurd majority areas?

Because they migrated to the cities, you fucking RETARD. They moved out of their shitholes with no infrastructure and went off to the cities. Is that so fucking hard to understand? Plenty of Turks did it too.

ataturk never said that

Sounds like Trumpism.

mindless 70iq shitspawns

Don't refer to your people like this bro
It's not healthy

Birth rates decline because people can't afford their spendings, not because people smoke weed and give orgy parties like European degenerates. And Kurds immigrate here because their regions are backwards and they live in a feodal society. Erdogan doesn't fix it on purpose because that means society easy to control and obey.

loving ataturk is le bad because it just is ok?

our nation stands for

rape

Your aspiring secularist youth are not having kids and will be outbred by Arabs and Kurds, is not that a bit concerning to you

That’s what I’m getting at. Turkey is doomed because the people care only about money as they lack any other values due to secularism eroding the spiritual traditions of the people.

Yeah Turkey was doing so well and Erdogan ruined it all. It definitely wasn’t that it has been an american colony for that got couped several times by the kemalist army every time it tried acting independent.

Also you’re a fucking retard. Your people are dying out and being replaced but all you idiots care about is if you can drink raki in public or not. Also if the birth rates were so low then the kurds wouldn’t be a problem as they would eventually be assimilated like the orher minorities but I guess acting like whores and faggots is more important than tbe survival of the nation.

That’s absolute bullshit and you know it. Poorer countries have more children and in every country the poor have more children. The truth is that secularism leads to hedonism leads to people ditching every responsibility that could stop them from being hedonists. Like having children you have to put money and effort into to raise for example.

These retards don’t care. They call themselves nationalists but they are just liberals. They look down on everything that makes their nation an actual nation.

talks about hedonism

lives in HOOOOLLLAAAAAND with people smoking weed right next to the phone you're typing from

jej

good thread

That ship has sailed a long time ago. The same thing is happening all across the developed world. The Kalergi plan is working. Everyone will become mutts and get outbred by third worlders. There is nothing anyone can do about it at this point

There is more Trump criticism published on any given day than you could read in an entire year.

Bro you are the third worlders

All nationalists lost, we are living in the days of globohomo. It will only get worse from here
Did I claim otherwise retard? We are getting outbred by less developed groups like every nation was my point

Poorer countries have more children and in every country the poor have more children

Not poorer, dumber. Regions where relatively conservative Turks live, like Inner and Eastern Anatolia, also have similar birthrates because they can calculate their spendings and understand they can not afford their children. But in South-East Anatolia, which is the poorest region of this country, people don't even think tomorrow they just fuck like rabbits. They throw their kids to streets and they survive on their own, immigrate to east and work at shitty jobs.

Ataturk has one big advantage
You could always compare Turkley to Iran Syria, Iraq, Ethiopia, Egypt, Libya Afghanistan, etc.

Which means, you could always ask "did Ataturk build a okay state", and there is no form of rebuttal.
And there is even nobody who speaks enough Arabic left, for there to be people worth sending Gulf state terrorist money to.

Its not that its legal to try to slander the founding fathers in USA.
Its that USA is a nation where they are secure enough in their belief that the founding fathers mythology will outlast the slander.

And I think Arabs struggle with the idea, because in the Arabs mind the idea of outliving your lifetime isn't a useful concept.

How did secularism win in Albania and Bosnia but lose so spectacularly in Turkiye?

You don't see any Bosnian importing Pakistanis because of Ummah solidarity

We need to send more refugees to Germany, especially of the kurdish and Islamic kind

Additionally I'd like to compare it with China, where after decades of turmoil they acknowledged that Mao made some mistakes. They still honor Mao as their great leader and founder, but they have an official policy that says he did "70% good and 30% bad" which allows them to make necessary reforms to the state. Something like this for Ataturk would've been beneficial for Turkey but it's more taboo to question anything about him there than it is to question religion. It really just the same level of zealotry but for a human than a God.

Albania and Bosnia are worse off than every other Balkan country BECAUSE they are Muslim so I don't see how they are winning

Maybe.
But there is something about the army rolling it, and calling for a new election that is fun.

In relation to you they are winning

In countries like us you have to work against your own people's will for their own good because they are stupid. This is why this region has tons of dictators, they realize the democracy is not the solution and take control for their people.

Most dictators aren't working for the good of their people though

this is not true at all albania was hardcore stalinist atheist for half the 20th century and still hosts one of the most secular muslim populations

Unlike with Mao he didn't kill dozens of millions of Turks. He obviously has his share of mistakes and people will point them out readily, but he really didn't fuck up anywhere near enough for the state to backpedal on the official view of him.
I think his authoritarian hold was absolutely necessary for the state when it was just born.

It really just the same level of zealotry but for a human than a God.

Arabs here literally burn portraits of him and publish footage of themselves doing it and we don't say anything or punish them in any form.

unironically because they are white. the only islamic states that aren't total shitholes are those two, coincidentally, they are also the whitest. accepting that white and brown people are fundamentally different explains a lot. secularism was never compatible with us browns, you need to give it thousands of years at least

Many regions are more secular or economically off than either Bosnia or Albania. The issue of this nation is that you have a lot of worthless inbred rural people, especially from the East with fragile egos who think they can decide for others and getting shitted and hated on and then wondering why everyone hates "doğulu"

Not at all. Nearly all dictators from Balkans to Middle east in 20-21th century are benevolent dictators who opposed the exploitation of their people.

he is the most criticized person in human history

I think his authoritarian hold was absolutely necessary for the state when it was just born.

That's true, but then why do today's Kemalists want to harken back to those same reforms at the time? If those were contemporary and time-sensitive ideals wouldn't it make more sense to move on from Kemalism and think of a successor ideology that fits Turkey's current status as a regional power with a ton of influence? You can't just go back to this early 20th century isolationist ideology, it makes no sense anymore in an era of globalism.

Taking the East was a mistake, we should've just deported all muhammeds to east of euphrates instead of trying to teach them manners

I wish we were colonized by the English and French so we never had to suffer the disaster that is the Turkish Republic

You can't just go back to this early 20th century isolationist ideology, it makes no sense anymore in an era of globalism.

Kemalism nowadays unironically aligns with Eurasianism. If there would be a second Kemalist revolution tomorrow we would be another BRICS country something like China and I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

I wish we actually genocided people instead of getting accused of it.

Turkiye would be a markedly better place for you to live if you hadn't genocided the Christians

Atatürk's one of the biggest mistake was thinking he could've civilized and assimilated Kurds like other Muslim nations like Albanians, Bosniaks, Pomaks, Circassians etc..

dude take a look at how our past colonies are doing, honestly i think Turkye is better off as it is...

seriously besides maybe Vietnam i don't think any place we colonized is doing ok

Watching closely a thread about my national enemy

you cant assimilate dogshit, kurds are basically indian tier and Istanbul is having the London transformation going on

If those were contemporary and time-sensitive ideals wouldn't it make more sense to move on from Kemalism and think of a successor ideology that fits Turkey's current status as a regional power with a ton of influence?

Absolutely. The problem is that most of the people who are politically aware now are only like that because of erdogan, the retard came in, started larping as a muslim, and then crashed the entire country into the ground. This caused many people to have a sort of kneejerk reaction where they just went to the exact opposite side of erdogan, and that's why they're extremely limited in actual opinions. The isolationism is mostly because people were punched awake rather than slowly coming to realize the new stage that Turkey is in, they just want the peace of old rather than the constant economic and social turmoil we've gone through in the last decade.

We were never built for the responsibility of being an independent nation. France and England would have figured out a better way to handle these lands

Hello baby :) Wanna kiss?

Literally every nationalism is just a replacement for religion. It literally started as protestants thinking they are the new Jews.

buy more F-35s faggot

Ataturk was a crypto-Greek

The issue was always there, its that you have a bunch of illiterate incestoid rural monkeys that have never seen civilization. Atatürk tried to show them civilization and thats why he opened köy enstitüsü everywhere. Then the goatfuckers realized people getting educated means less control so they tried to shut them down and thats how its been going since then, Erdogan is the same and wants control over his sheepies, not for them to awaken/enlighten.

Atatürk shouldve taken the genocide route and funnily he tried to colonize it with city people, the issue is that no one wanted to fucking move to the eastern regions because it was so subhuman, if you read his books and close cabinet members thoughts they constantly complain about how everyone in the parliament want the "nations best" but never move outside Ankara or Istanbul.

Atatürk ironically tried to interact and civilize those parts of the nation, but they rather fuck their cousins and shouldve just been killed off.

why are mutts here lecturing people about dictatorship and authoritarianism

People with white skin tones are the only ones capable of governing themselves.

And I think Arabs struggle with the idea, because in the Arabs mind the idea of outliving your lifetime isn't a useful concept.

Ironically the same applies for Erdo supporters which is why I think these type of people are just not fit for civilization, they rather live in a delulu world then accept reality, theyre like schizophrenics

Atatürk shouldve taken the genocide route

And then what? You'd just have a shitload of completely empty land instead. Even then people would be unwilling to move there into the vast fucking nothingness.

Erdogan is the same and wants control over his sheepies, not for them to awaken/enlighten.

He's just a corrupt nigger that wants to get a country of his own so his family can grow fat off of it, the only interesting thing about him is that he larps as a muslim so he can get those retards to support him. Notice how he never does anything of substance when it comes to islam, he unbanned those ugly ass towels and keeps raising taxes on tobacco and alcohol, but that's it. Even the latter is only to make sure the country doesn't collapse under his 4d economic chess, though his retarded followers will argue that it's to save the people from decadency and health issues or whatever. Why not ban them outright instead?

is this turkbro pro or anti burkabitches? It's hard to tell what he means by social decay

I think that’s the wrong attitude for Turks to have, they’re angry over the government and always protesting but if you notice they don’t even have a real political platform, the protestors are openly saying on social media they don’t want to be associated with higher powers or political party interests. So in the end you just have disaffected youth showing frustration and polarizing into an unpopular ideology. It won’t challenge the power of the state at all. They need to be more pragmatic and realistic here

Notice how he never does anything of substance when it comes to islam

Well that certainly doesn’t stop zoomer Turks from acting like they live in a 1984 sharia totalitarian state run by the Taliban

Even the latter is only to make sure the country doesn't collapse under his 4d economic chess, though his retarded followers will argue that it's to save the people from decadency and health issues or whatever. Why not ban them outright instead?

Because the money that fuels it all is the secular upper class who drinks alcohol and consumes things like Cars and so on. All those taxes are so he can feed his subhuman parasitic voterbase so they can keep voting for him as some kind of padishah.

He doesnt give a shit about these people in reality, its obvious from all the memes that the people he cares about are the ones who pay VERGI and the ones who dont.

Islam is just a meme underneath it all, these subhumans cling to Islam as some kind of savior because they are so subhuman to begin with, there are no respected people in this nation who cling to religion.

anyway here is what I would do if I was in charge of turkey:

Deport pakis

Deport brazilians

Create Syrian containment ghettos

Give the Kurds their little country or whatever just to get them to stop chimping

Strong austerity measures

Higher taxes on the syrians

Put a tax on childlessness so it becomes more expensive to not have kids than to have them

Seize all rental properties and give them away so bitches can't complain about the cost of living

Loosen labor regulations to bring in foreign investment

Build a mosque that is like super big to appease the religious retards

Create gay sex dungeons

reduce taxes on various stuffs because whatever who cares

befriend greece or smth they look cool

In this order.

there are literally no brazilians in turkey i have never seen a latino in my life here

both those countries are only around 50% muslim

good, the plan is already in motion

we are better than both bosnia and albania and also macedonia in every metric wtf are you talking about you balkan ape

Create gay sex dungeons

There needs to be more proper discussion of what constitutes a Turk, the Turkish state, what path we should follow etc as well as some sort of organization under actual leaders. Instead we just wait for the next elections, vote CHP(who are corrupt and incompetent, as opposed to the AKP who are corrupt, incompetent, AND actively trying to harm Turkey), and hope that erdogan doesn't fuck us up in a fresh new and barely legal way.
Then again, I honestly can't see him letting people properly organize themselves against him, and in the modern age it's easier than ever for the state to oppress the people and try to stop them from effecting matters.
Makes it all the more ridiculous seeing all these people placing all their worthless hopes into him. Even if erdogan gets to do whatever the fuck he wants the future that'll await Turkey is the same as Russia where everybody except the top 0.01% is poor and religion is distorted more and more with each passing day, in accord with the needs of the country. They'll never get their muhammedans paradise.

Albania went from 70% to 49% Muslim due to the rise of non-religious peepo
You are only winning in Kurds per capita metric

Makes it all the more ridiculous seeing all these people placing all their worthless hopes into him. Even if erdogan gets to do whatever the fuck he wants the future that'll await Turkey is the same as Russia where everybody except the top 0.01% is poor and religion is distorted more and more with each passing day, in accord with the needs of the country. They'll never get their muhammedans paradise.

These people would collapse and die without gibs, they are basically niggers but on a cultlike scale and operation.

If you ever traveled to Europe you would know most people are busy with working or something else, nobody has free time like these boomer Dayis who can live on just cheap spaghetti and bread gibs.

The future of Turkey is already obvious, there was a class divide in the past between the elite kemalist class with their origins in the cities and the plebians.

Erdogan only widened this gap but also introduced "neu-rich" AKP loyalists, the issue is that they are seen as subhumans no matter how much money they flex and are trying so hard to fit in and be the new Ali Koc or something.

They are basically arabs with money and as soon AKP goes they go as well, they arent sustainable to begin with.

Albania went from 70% to 49% Muslim due to the rise of non-religious peepo

wrong
literally name a single thing about a humans life quality that is better in your shithole compared to us
even with islamists and erdogan ruling over we are still miles better than you monkeys

Sadly I'll pass, I'm heterosexual and not fond of ibneler
I'll grab a couple, want some?
Mustafakemal of Selanik was actually an albanian jew

Ataturk? I think you meant ATAPİÇ

Ataşirk
Atamaymun
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