Is this the ideal size Greece should be? or would you go larger?

VGH Magna Grecia
silence ghoul

am i wrong? no i am not steer shit with peeps you can spank. not good ol' GERMANIEN

That would be enough

the problem is that the Greeks took the Germanic Rapefugees, it's not like they beat them with some inexistent Germanic superiority, the Greeks simply collapsed for a multitude of reasons
A tip top shape Greek Empire would've gang raped any invader of the time, let's not flourish it

they settled land that wasnt theirs it isnt that hard to understand

Natural borders of Hellas.

They lasted almost 500 years with these borders and deeply influenced every single people they governed, and they were a lot, every single empire or kingdom, even the smallest one, Sweden included, is bounded to have rebels and wannabe usurpers.
What the Greeks managed to do is incredible and basically unparalleled, to turn so many different conquered people to the same cause and make them love it for so many centuries

and even the Germans deeply respected and wanted to imitate the Greeks at the time and after, let's not pretend otherwise and have some intellectual honesty

They settled on empty lands. The savages around them had no states that claimed them.

there was no "empty lands" in europe at that time ofc they drove people off their land

what is incredible is that they rode baba osmans turkish cock for 500 years untill the brits! got a fetish for ancient greece an brought them back on the map, same empire that sacrificed themself to get poland back on the map

Who was in Trapezunt before the Greeks established the city about 3000 years ago?

no fucking idea and i dont care

you have homosexual fantasies involving turkroaches

you live out my fantasy

Being Greek around blonde women?

you arent greek and you will never be greek fucking read my frist post again

ofc they drove people off their land

nigga most people wanted in the Empire and to be citizens
You really think the average person of the time would've preferred living in mud hutts and getting ass fucked every other day by the daily flavour of barbarian raiders or have a stable, safe and wealthy life inside the Empire?

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based bababooney

i aboslutely do since citizenship is a very un natural thing for us humans. but you are free to prove me wirong (no a fucking chieftain bending to rome isnt proof for the average joe)

why are you fighting? albanians and turks have been best friends for ever

It's not unnatural. The Bible says we should help our own kind first and the Athenians practiced the one drop rule, since only true Athenians couldn't vote.

i am not fighting

That's the Roman Empire. It was ruled by Central Italians and later Illyrians and Iberians.

no commagene

I can prove you simply by the fact that what people through time consider themselves citizens of changed through time, the people in today's Germany borders weren't exactly always German, but they became a nation and united people through the centuries.
The Greeks conquered with military means, so obviously the initial transition wasn't smooth for anybody, but that's true for every single current nation on this planet too, historically speaking, the Swedes became Germans also by conquering and converting, so to say, other people.
But if after the bloody conquest you actually offer something better yes, in a few generations people will integrate and cooperate.
Of course in times of great instability, where the safety and wealth you promised stops being a thing, and considering that over such a large territory of people that even if Greekized still retained their local cultures, there will be desires of rebellion, nobody wants to be ruled over by a central power that is useless but still asks you to pay taxes, but again, this is true for every single nation on this Earth to this day, half the US would rebel and secede too if the USA central government became similar to the state of the late Greek Empire.
I am rambling at this point, its better if I quit it.

too much words didnt read i won

that's mean but okay, I tried treating you with respect even in through the clear shit posting, but actually I respect your answer, I did indeed waste my time.

im just busting your balls bro but i cant be bothered to read all of that. Caesar dont cry

all good, honestly it's all just shit posting anyway

SPQR

yeah true haha i just dont want to be and asshole. alright i am gonna read your essay, give me a moment

through time consider themselves citizens

and how did this come about? you are avare of romes legend, the rape of the sabine women. change never comes cheap for the persons that lives in that time period. other then this idk what to say you talk so freely about conquered people and moves on

As someone who shares the same ancestors as the Greeks(WHG, EEF and yamnaia pastorlaist) I feel so proud of their accomplishments!